Help my boobs are well not doing much.

[Kali-Ann Gills]

Please forgive me if this has been addressed previously.

I am rather concerned and disappointed with my breast development, I am on Progynova Estradiol Valerate  that I take twice a day. I have been on HRT for a year now and whilst I was not expecting to attain a large bust in this time I was hoping for more than I currently have.

I have trawled the Internet however,  I found so much conflicting information on the subject that it is difficult to be certain what to believe. The range goes from a c cup in six weeks to bugger all in two years! Whilst I don't believe that the first example is impossible I feel that it would be quite rare and the second really bothers me. I have an almost permanent soreness behind my areola and nipples both have become much larger so that sleeping on my front is impossible. Taking this into account I do believe that something is still happening with my bust. I am currently not taking any anti-androgens.

This situation is really starting to give me confidence issues including the style of dresses and tops that I wear. I am not completely certain what size I actually am however, I believe that I am a 38 aa. 

So my questions are - what is the realistic time to achieve full development I have read estimates from eighteen months to five years. Secondly I have read that anti-androgens can improve things quite significantly is this true . I have also read that M2F hormone treatment is nowhere near as effective as F2M.

I cannot find any research results that are even close to definitive given that breast development is very important to women whether transgender or not I find that fact staggering.

I do not believe that my expectations were overly optimistic however, after a year I did expect somewhat more than I have.

I would be grateful for any advice /information 

Thanks 

Kali-Ann xx

 

 

Edited August 6, 2018 by MaryEllen
Hormone dosage removed per rule 13 of the community rules

[Jani]

Hi Kali-Ann. You are correct that Testosterone is more powerful than estrogen at effecting changes.  Your own growth will be limited (or unlimited) by your genetics which is why you don't see any research data.  We're all different!   I'm not large but neither are any women in my family.  If you are thin and lean you might not gain much either.   If you are not taking an antigen you might talk to your doctor about adding one.  It is possible to have high T level and a reasonable E level.   Under this scenario I believe the E would struggle to do its work.

 

Jani

[Cyndee]

I have been on HRT for 7 + years, and my boobs are still developing (slowly filling in). I am a 38 b cup and it's fine.

 

Envision how long puberty takes for girls, and adjust your expectations as such.

 

There will always be exceptions out there, the girl that gets the D cup in her first year of HRT, what she won't tell ya, is carrying that additional weight does add a burden.

 

Evaluate your female relatives (Mum, sisters) size to give you an idea of what you might expect.

 

Implants are always an option later on, if things are still not to your liking....

 

Best boobies to you

 

C -

[KeiraC]

My boobs became very tender within weeks of starting HRT, they are growing, Nipples are gone larger, and the area around them is starting to open out and darken, also little bumps under the nipples and christ they are sensitive, it takes time go with the flow, plenty of girls  pad

[Kirsten]

It really is all on the individual. There’s no way to know what you’ll end up with. Everything from age, dosing, genetics, etc can make a difference. 

Personally ive gone from seeing my ribs flat 3 months ago to a full 36a/ almost full 38a.  But from all info I’ve seen it’s a 2-5 year process for most. I just can’t wait till they aren’t so darn sore! Or for my 3 year old to grow up and stop hitting em. ?. Either ways good for me. Lol. 

[VickySGV]

After 3 mammograms over the past 4 years on my B cups which took about 24 months to get to be more than just tender, my breast tissue is classified as DENSE, but it is all there and the "gram" returned a scare the first time out which turned out to be benign.  I was not on anti-androgen's for about the first 9 months of HRT, but they got off to a noticeable start in the 9 months, primarily as Areola and Nipple development.  I am the same cup size as one of my natal female sisters and just a little bigger than the other one.   Until my daughters started putting on unhealthy weight, it had taken them about 6 years each to get up to their mother's bare C cups, but with the unhealthy weight have gone up to D+'s.  My E was a constant low dose and at that I did better than some of my friends who were on much higher doses of the stuff.  A couple of my friends are bigger (C+) on even lower doses than I was.  The one thing I have found in my friends is that most of the really  pretty one are happy with their A+ and two have won actual beauty pageants and do modeling.  Boobs are more complicated than we ever guessed. 

[Kali-Ann Gills]

Many thanks for all of the very useful advice / information.

I have to agree that because of the simple fact that we are all different then to produce any kind of definitive research would in reality be almost impossible. I suppose I am guilty of being somewhat impatient. And young girls do not become mature adult women overnight. I have I believe, in reality, been waiting for a 'puberty' to begin that is appropriate for me for a very long time. My Endocrinologist did explain that basically I was entering a second puberty and that I had to prepare for it. He explained that female puberty is a rather more intense experience and at times it would not be very pleasant.

It is from what one of my girlfriends said perfectly natural for a girl to want an ample bust and that I am no different. However,  because of the amount of testosterone poisoning I have been subjected to then things may take longer.

In honesty I am very pleased with everything else other bodily changes are quite astonishing; hips have broadened a couple of inches due to fat being distributed differently. Waist has become narrower again by a good two inches. I may not have a catwalk figure but my body is now distinctly female. And my skin has altered beyond all recognition so I should be grateful.

Thank you all again.

Kali-Ann xx 

 

 

 

 

[Jani]

5 hours ago, Kali-Ann Gills said:

I suppose I am guilty of being somewhat impatient.

Welcome to the club!  

 

As you note everything else seems to be progressing quite well.  This is good.  You will end up where ever your body chooses to go.  Don't worry about the final results so much as the journey.  We are the sum of all our attributes not just one. As Cyndi notes, you can always opt for enhancement later if you feel its something you need.  

 

Jani

[jo jo]

hi kalli ann im about 4 and a half months in on hrt and my nipples doubled in size and breasts very sore try using progesterone love and hugs jo jo

[Kali-Ann Gills]

1 hour ago, jo jo said:

hi kalli ann im about 4 and a half months in on hrt and my nipples doubled in size and breasts very sore try using progesterone love and hugs jo jo

Hi JoJo 

I did suggest progesterone with my Endocrinologist however, he said that there was little evidence  (not that there appears to be much evidence at all where we are concerned) that progesterone has any effect.  I have an appointment on the 16th so will ask again.

Kali-Ann ? xx 

[Jani]

My doctor said the same, not much positive evidence and it may cause depression.  He said (IIRC) that any increase in tissue is fat and will not last as your weight fluctuates, as opposed to breast tissue which would be permanent.  

[jo jo]

kalli ann try a progesterone cream if they wont prescribe progest i found it made a difference for me the cream

[Kali-Ann Gills]

Just now, jo jo said:

kalli ann try a progesterone cream if they wont prescribe progest i found it made a difference for me the cream

Thanks Jo Jo many thanks for your advice I will search for some ASAP 

 

Kali-Ann ? xx 

[jae bear]

Hi Kali-Ann,

I wish I could tell you that progesterone worked really well for me, but I didn’t do too much, it did however help me gain a lot of weight... At one year on E I didn’t have too much development myself, in fact not much of anything was happening but my dose was moderate at best. Then I started a lot of exercise and good eating habits keeping things at bay for quite some time, I gave myself a couple weeks off to see what would happen and my body fairly exploded in an all girl directions!  A term that my wife came up with was “girlsplosion”. One of the things that I noticed while losing weight was the weight was coming off under and around my rib cage primarily, which started to enhance the fact that I was getting a figure of some sort, and I found my  hips had started widening. I’ve been wearing mostly the stretchy fabric pullover type bras to keep things tamed down while at work, but I did buy a 44A  bra from the leading lady website and wore it for the first time today while out at group. I was actually worried about Being able to fill it, taking it out of the bag it looked bigger than I thought I would be able to manage. However once I leaned forward, one tug to the left, and one tug to the right I realized my fears were unfounded, I filled it up just fine with no room to spare.  I know that doesn’t sound like much but believe me it’s rather surprising walking around in the world with a pair of these things, as small as mine are they still get in the way ! I was trying to judge precisely when things started marching forward and I would have to say it happened about the 15th month mark, But I’m sure everyone’s experience is quite different. 

 Hugs, 

Jackie

[Kali-Ann Gills]

1 hour ago, jae bear said:

Hi Kali-Ann,

I wish I could tell you that progesterone worked really well for me, but I didn’t do too much, it did however help me gain a lot of weight... At one year on E I didn’t have too much development myself, in fact not much of anything was happening but my dose was moderate at best. Then I started a lot of exercise and good eating habits keeping things at bay for quite some time, I gave myself a couple weeks off to see what would happen and my body fairly exploded in an all girl directions!  A term that my wife came up with was “girlsplosion”. One of the things that I noticed while losing weight was the weight was coming off under and around my rib cage primarily, which started to enhance the fact that I was getting a figure of some sort, and I found my  hips had started widening. I’ve been wearing mostly the stretchy fabric pullover type bras to keep things tamed down while at work, but I did buy a 44A  bra from the leading lady website and wore it for the first time today while out at group. I was actually worried about Being able to fill it, taking it out of the bag it looked bigger than I thought I would be able to manage. However once I leaned forward, one tug to the left, and one tug to the right I realized my fears were unfounded, I filled it up just fine with no room to spare.  I know that doesn’t sound like much but believe me it’s rather surprising walking around in the world with a pair of these things, as small as mine are they still get in the way ! I was trying to judge precisely when things started marching forward and I would have to say it happened about the 15th month mark, But I’m sure everyone’s experience is quite different. 

 Hugs, 

Jackie

Hi Jackie,  

Thanks for your help. You are completely right we are all different and in that respect we are no different from any other females. I am coming to the conclusion that patience in this case really is a virtue. I have to say that I smiled when you said they get in the way! As I said in my original post I believe that I am a 38 aa and I do knock and bash my breasts from time to time a rather shocking experience ? to say the least. I really had little understanding of just how sensitive they are. 

Since Jo Jo  mentioned progesterone I have been reading various articles and research however,  if anything the results are even less clear. Some indicated a significant impact on breast development while others suggest no such impact whatsoever. You have corroborated one article that did mention weight gain, I am not sure if that would be a side effect that I would be comfortable with.  However, the cream that Jo Jo mentioned being topographic should not have that effect.

I am very much prepared for the long term, in reality a year in relation to female puberty is not significant. And I suppose that the estrogen is also fighting decades of testosterone contamination so it has to work twice as hard transgender women are not the blank canvas that a 13 year old girl is.

I have waited 56 years for my poor battered body to get the hormones it should always have had so another couple of years is no hardship.

I have been advised of breast growth spurts and of periods of apparently dormant stages so I will just have to be elated with the first and patient with the second. Also my friend Cassey said "the female breasts are complex organs" so expecting exponential growth would be unreasonable.

So I will sit and wait patiently and be grateful for what I do have.

Kali-Ann ? xx 

[jae bear]

Hi Kali-Ann,

 I think patience is probably your best friend, I noticed some things initially, a couple months into HRT I got the ouchies and things were very tender and sore, and that went on for months, the only thing I noticed was a small amount of growth mostly behind the nipples. I think more recently I just stopped worrying about it, thinking more about long-term goals, and since I have plans for augmentation in place I’m not terribly  concerned about how much progress they’re making. I think I’m more happy with the fact that I am gaining ground in the hip area, and losing weight while eating nice and healthy, this is been the most positive change for me, other than the very nice lack of bad temper, getting cut off on the freeway these days elicits nothing more than a shoulder shrug.  The stretchy fabric bra that I was using didn’t really keep things hidden very well anyway, it allowed everything to stay spread out rather evenly  to help things to be understated. I realize if I stand up straight wearing a normal bra I very clearly have breasts, and it still shocks me a little bit, but I’m getting quite used to them. I notice it most when I’m doing chores at work,  they seem to bump things at the most inconvenient time or they get in the way of my arms if I’m trying to move things around. I’m sure I’ll eventually get used to this, and hopefully by the time I reach augmentation I’ll have managed to realize they are there  and not bump them around quite so much! I’m still surprised by the size of an A cup,  I must admit it is perfectly respectable all on its own. 

 Hugs, 

 Jackie 

[Kali-Ann Gills]

17 hours ago, jae bear said:

Hi Kali-Ann,

 I think patience is probably your best friend, I noticed some things initially, a couple months into HRT I got the ouchies and things were very tender and sore, and that went on for months, the only thing I noticed was a small amount of growth mostly behind the nipples. I think more recently I just stopped worrying about it, thinking more about long-term goals, and since I have plans for augmentation in place I’m not terribly  concerned about how much progress they’re making. I think I’m more happy with the fact that I am gaining ground in the hip area, and losing weight while eating nice and healthy, this is been the most positive change for me, other than the very nice lack of bad temper, getting cut off on the freeway these days elicits nothing more than a shoulder shrug.  The stretchy fabric bra that I was using didn’t really keep things hidden very well anyway, it allowed everything to stay spread out rather evenly  to help things to be understated. I realize if I stand up straight wearing a normal bra I very clearly have breasts, and it still shocks me a little bit, but I’m getting quite used to them. I notice it most when I’m doing chores at work,  they seem to bump things at the most inconvenient time or they get in the way of my arms if I’m trying to move things around. I’m sure I’ll eventually get used to this, and hopefully by the time I reach augmentation I’ll have managed to realize they are there  and not bump them around quite so much! I’m still surprised by the size of an A cup,  I must admit it is perfectly respectable all on its own. 

 Hugs, 

 Jackie 

Hi Jackie, 

Thanks for your advice. I have never been a great one for patience really but it is something that I appear to need to learn.

I like you when I am wearing a certain style of top or dress it is glaringly obvious that I have breasts and indeed a few people have made comments in fact a neighbours granddaughter thinks that they look fab ?. I have known her since she was four she is now forteen.  Again because all girls are different with our development it would be almost impossible for the Endocrinologist to advise on reasonable expectations with any measure of accuracy.

I am getting properly measured and fitted at La Senza in a short time so hopefully I will have a much better idea of my exact size. It never ceases to amaze me how complicated it is to get what is essentially a very simple item of clothing right. However,  there are many considerations actual fit support etc. Sometimes I feel that my best friend Cassey looses patience with me I can't help it though and it is okay for her being a 36DD! ?.

BTW I absolutely love the picture you look absolutely lovely.

Take care sweetheart.

Kali-Ann ? xx 

[Wendy Girl]

I think that we all want that feminine bust, it's essential for many of us. But, I too was on a low dose of Estrodiol and no blockers for ages, thankfully I am on them now and I not only feel better and calmer, but I notice the difference too in my male side. It's pretty much gone and know that the t-blockers are helping a lot with the feminisation process. Barely any testosterone and a higher oestrogen level is preferable, I'm sure. Good luck Kelli-Ann, I'd speak to another doctor if I were you. My doctor immediately said that I needed T-blockers once my B.P was at the right levels. Thankfully, it is.

[Kali-Ann Gills]

1 hour ago, Wendy Girl said:

I think that we all want that feminine bust, it's essential for many of us. But, I too was on a low dose of Estrodiol and no blockers for ages, thankfully I am on them now and I not only feel better and calmer, but I notice the difference too in my male side. It's pretty much gone and know that the t-blockers are helping a lot with the feminisation process. Barely any testosterone and a higher oestrogen level is preferable, I'm sure. Good luck Kelli-Ann, I'd speak to another doctor if I were you. My doctor immediately said that I needed T-blockers once my B.P was at the right levels. Thankfully, it is.

Hi Wendy

I have an appointment on the 16th of this month and I am hopeful that I will be prescribed blockers then. I agree a decent sized bust is rather important to me. If not I am considering speaking with my GP who is rare in that he has a lot of experience with transgender girls. 

Thank you for your help

Kali-Ann ? xx 

[jae bear]

Hey Kali Ann,

 How did your appointment go on the 16th? 

 Hugs, 

Jackie

[Kali-Ann Gills]

4 hours ago, jae bear said:

Hey Kali Ann,

 How did your appointment go on the 16th? 

 Hugs, 

Jackie

Hi Jackie,

Had a bit of a shock to be honest. My E levels appear to have bombed to 145 I have been at 255 -270 for ages now. 

My consultant is totally mystified as am I. She is convinced that it is an anomaly and has asked my GP for another blood test for E only in a couple of weeks.

Really fed up as she was totally prepared to put me on blocker injections once a month. However, until I get the new E results then that will have to wait ?. As she explained the results make no sense and that if my Estrogen had dropped off by that amount I would have certainly known about it.

On a lighter note I have been properly measured by La Senza and I am officially just over a AA cup ? . Jackie my mother was a 38 GG in fact all of the women in the family are large busted. I am quite optimistic about my final size but we will see. I bought two new bras from the shop and they fit perfectly.

It is my birthday on the 28th and Robert is taking me to a show and a meal in a really good restaurant looking forward to that he really is lovely.

Hope you are okay and having a great weekend hunni.

Hugs 

Kali-Ann ? xx 

[Kirsten]

Oh that’s really cool Kali-Ann! I am way too scared to go to a lingerie shop and get fitted for myself. Lol. Weird really because there isn’t much that worries me. Just stores for some reason. ?

glad you found some bras that fit! 

Kirsten

[jae bear]

Hey Kali-Ann,

 Wow that’s really weird with your estrogen, my GP hardly ever bothers to give me a blood test, nor does my Endo, and I don’t think my E  level has ever even tickled it’s way past 100, it’s usually in the 80s somewhere, then again I take a pretty modest dose...  I know pretty soon they want to ramp me up, But in all fairness 17 months of a modest dose has worked wonders. I think I heard something about dietary things affecting the levels, I can’t really remember but there are things that increase or decrease, and depending upon how The dosage is administered and when it’s taken The levels fluctuate. I’m surprised they won’t put you on blockers, they usually do that without question, but I knew medical practices are different depending on where you are, but the one thing I know about doctors is they’re always concerned about the best interest of their patients, so no worries honey you’re in good hands.

  that is so exciting to get fitted, I bet that was a lot of fun, I would’ve loved to have gone with you just to share the experience, and all the girls here probably would join me, can you think of it? A whole gaggle of girls standing around when you get fitted? Ha ha Ha !  I can’t imagine  all the giggling that would be going on! I need to order a new bra size myself, my 44A seems to be getting loose in the band size... I don’t know if it’s starting to get stretched out or if it’s just cause I lost a little more weight, it seems most of the weight that I lose comes off of my rib cage and just below my rib cage so I suppose it’s possible. I’ve got the hooks on the furthest inside setting and it still isn’t quite snug enough now, so I’m gonna order a 42A and hope for the best. My problem is I avoid flowery frilly stuff at all cost, Tomboys like me just like utilitarian plain Jane under things, and I almost always get things in a nude color so they blend in, but honestly I think I like white bras the best, I just like the way they look  I suppose, I just don’t have any, ha ha !  I found what I needed over at a place online called leading lady, but they don’t have an AA cup size in the band size that you need. Luckily I managed to fill that A cup, and it still shocks me so completely I have trouble wrapping my mind around it. One of my girlfriends clued me into something  important for girls like you and me, once you’re strapped in you need to lean forward and reach left and give a tug  and reach right and give another tug,  pulling the girls into the  middle is important since most of the growth I’ve seen comes from around the sides of my chest and has some fairly good gathering power !  It’s really kind of funny as I’ve actually seen my wife do this very thing so many times and I never quite understood what was going on !  I also realize I’ve started taking a different approach to the steering wheel, not so much hand over hand anymore, a lot more deliberate 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock grip with more  movement and less distance to avoid knocking the girls around. Again I’ve seen my wife doing this often and wondered why she did something so inefficient ! 

 You are so blessed to have Robert, he sounds so wonderful, I’ll admit I’m jealous, And isn’t that name really neat, Robert, is just fun to say, it’s one of my favorite names. He sounds like he’s so handy helping out and fixing up the salon, he sounds rather dreamy. Why is my mind wandering so much?  Ha ha ha !  I only just had breakfast and half a cup of coffee but I can’t get my mind to stop spinning in so many directions today ! 

 I’m pretty excited to go see these two minivans I found, hopefully one of them will be nice, and then I will steam clean it until it sparkles and smells fresh, then I’ll pop my Hawaiian island breeze air fresheners in the back and take it for a little drive. Some friends of mine want me to go to an outdoor movie showing at a park nearby,  I did this two weekends ago and it was so much fun. They have a blowup movie screen and some great speakers, I’m so excited to go with them and experience this again, they’re going to show cars three and my friend has never seen it, and I love animated Disney stuff, I’m really just a big kid. 

 Hugs, 

Jackie

[Kali-Ann Gills]

33 minutes ago, Kirsten said:

Oh that’s really cool Kali-Ann! I am way too scared to go to a lingerie shop and get fitted for myself. Lol. Weird really because there isn’t much that worries me. Just stores for some reason. ?

glad you found some bras that fit! 

Kirsten

Hey Kirsten,

It is believed that up to 80% of women wear the wrong size bra. And I would imagine that amongst the transgender community that number is probably higher unfortunately, for the very reason that you mentioned.

My argument is this,  we have breasts and we have to take care of them same as any other woman. Our pounds dollars or whatever are as good as anyone elses. We do have a directory of transgender friendly stores in Birmingham and La Senza is on the list;  the girls were really nice and the lady who measured me was absolutely marvellous. She recommended different style bras to get the best out of my bust however, I settled on two balcony bras all pretty lace. One is multi coloured and the second is nude. Mind you they were quite expensive at = 75 dollars for the two. 

Kirsten I cannot express just how good a properly fitting bra feels, or rather doesn't feel. Because they are perfect for my bust I simply cannot feel like I am wearing a bra. As the lady Anna said " we wear a bra pretty much all the time however, you shouldn't actually feel like you are " she is so right.

I would recommend using a measuring service at either a lingerie store or a department store you will not be disappointed.

I always had an issue with my breasts itching after a few hours drove me crazy. Anna explained that my bust wasn't being supported correctly they were moving around in my bra and basically irritating the skin. I have had one of the bras on literally all day and zero itching ?.

They gave me a glass of wine as I was waiting; up to date magazines;  I even discussed handbags with another girl who rather admired my Ted Baker bag: and I got another nail client!! 

At the end of the day we are women yes, I was a tad nervous however, they treated me exactly the same as any other customer.

Go for it Kirsten.

Kali-Ann ? xx 

[Kali-Ann Gills]

16 minutes ago, jae bear said:

Hey Kali-Ann,

 Wow that’s really weird with your estrogen, my GP hardly ever bothers to give me a blood test, nor does my Endo, and I don’t think my E  level has ever even tickled it’s way past 100, it’s usually in the 80s somewhere, then again I take a pretty modest dose...  I know pretty soon they want to ramp me up, But in all fairness 17 months of a modest dose has worked wonders. I think I heard something about dietary things affecting the levels, I can’t really remember but there are things that increase or decrease, and depending upon how The dosage is administered and when it’s taken The levels fluctuate. I’m surprised they won’t put you on blockers, they usually do that without question, but I knew medical practices are different depending on where you are, but the one thing I know about doctors is they’re always concerned about the best interest of their patients, so no worries honey you’re in good hands.

  that is so exciting to get fitted, I bet that was a lot of fun, I would’ve loved to have gone with you just to share the experience, and all the girls here probably would join me, can you think of it? A whole gaggle of girls standing around when you get fitted? Ha ha Ha !  I can’t imagine  all the giggling that would be going on! I need to order a new bra size myself, my 44A seems to be getting loose in the band size... I don’t know if it’s starting to get stretched out or if it’s just cause I lost a little more weight, it seems most of the weight that I lose comes off of my rib cage and just below my rib cage so I suppose it’s possible. I’ve got the hooks on the furthest inside setting and it still isn’t quite snug enough now, so I’m gonna order a 42A and hope for the best. My problem is I avoid flowery frilly stuff at all cost, Tomboys like me just like utilitarian plain Jane under things, and I almost always get things in a nude color so they blend in, but honestly I think I like white bras the best, I just like the way they look  I suppose, I just don’t have any, ha ha !  I found what I needed over at a place online called leading lady, but they don’t have an AA cup size in the band size that you need. Luckily I managed to fill that A cup, and it still shocks me so completely I have trouble wrapping my mind around it. One of my girlfriends clued me into something  important for girls like you and me, once you’re strapped in you need to lean forward and reach left and give a tug  and reach right and give another tug,  pulling the girls into the  middle is important since most of the growth I’ve seen comes from around the sides of my chest and has some fairly good gathering power !  It’s really kind of funny as I’ve actually seen my wife do this very thing so many times and I never quite understood what was going on !  I also realize I’ve started taking a different approach to the steering wheel, not so much hand over hand anymore, a lot more deliberate 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock grip with more  movement and less distance to avoid knocking the girls around. Again I’ve seen my wife doing this often and wondered why she did something so inefficient ! 

 You are so blessed to have Robert, he sounds so wonderful, I’ll admit I’m jealous, And isn’t that name really neat, Robert, is just fun to say, it’s one of my favorite names. He sounds like he’s so handy helping out and fixing up the salon, he sounds rather dreamy. Why is my mind wandering so much?  Ha ha ha !  I only just had breakfast and half a cup of coffee but I can’t get my mind to stop spinning in so many directions today ! 

 I’m pretty excited to go see these two minivans I found, hopefully one of them will be nice, and then I will steam clean it until it sparkles and smells fresh, then I’ll pop my Hawaiian island breeze air fresheners in the back and take it for a little drive. Some friends of mine want me to go to an outdoor movie showing at a park nearby,  I did this two weekends ago and it was so much fun. They have a blowup movie screen and some great speakers, I’m so excited to go with them and experience this again, they’re going to show cars three and my friend has never seen it, and I love animated Disney stuff, I’m really just a big kid. 

 Hugs, 

Jackie

Hi Jackie, 

I will PM you tomorrow morning if that's okay hunni? 

Robert is due home within the hour so I am making him an Italian pot roast. 

Hugs 

Kali-Ann ? xx