Extended Healthcare = "nazi Healthcare"

[Guest Zabrak]

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/19/barne...nk-pwns-cr.html

Exchange at a "town hall" meeting on the "health care debate," which more and more has nothing to do with health care and resembles a crazy people lynch mob:

Crazy lady: "Why do you support a cup cake policy?"

Barney Frank: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

OWNED.

Healthcare effects everyone in the USA(transgendered suffer from it too). It pains me to hear about people in the USA unable to help themselves because they can't afford healthcare. To me, that sounds like a crime. My stand on this is I really hope you guys get cheaper/free healthcare.

Good luck to the USA and enjoy this funny clip!

[Guest StrandedOutThere]

OMG, LOL!!! Serious ownage.

Our health care system is a mess down here. My school sponsored insurance isn't ridiculously expensive, but it doesn't cover much. It's better than nothing, I guess.

[Guest NatalieRene]

That guy is awesome sadly though there are many ignorant people like her.

[Guest NatalieRene]

Here's a link to the full video http://www.necn.com/Boston/NECN-Extra/2009...1250643022.html

[Guest Zabrak]

I watched the video. I really have no say but I don't understand how people think its not possible to have public -and- private medical...no one seemed to be listening or understanding what was being told to them.

I guess I'm just too canadian for my own good!

[Guest Eth]

This looks great, I think

愛 Eth

[Guest NatalieRene]

I watched the video. I really have no say but I don't understand how people think its not possible to have public -and- private medical...no one seemed to be listening or understanding what was being told to them.

I guess I'm just too canadian for my own good!

No thats not it, those people where just the typical stupid loud ignorant Americans with no culture that make the rest of us look bad.

Did you notice that the guy who is facing losing his house thinks that it is socialist to offer a loan to him to save his house that he would be repaying upon getting a job? These people embarrass me so much.

They can't seem to grasp that public health care would be a option but private would survive by being better for the people that can afford it. What is so wrong in making sure that everyone has healthcare? That jobless guy should be demanding it not fighting it. If he gets sick or breaks a bone right now he wouldn't even be admitted into a hospital for treatment right now. He would just be stuck outside bleeding to death while he waits in line for a chance to be seen in a free clinic that may or may not be equipped to help him. Oh yeah thats so much better then giving national health care.

For that matter what the heck is wrong with socialism? God forbid we as country band together and work together for a better future for us all not just the rich elite.

[Guest skyy]

welcome to the US, a world of the brightest intellectuals, and the most staggering idiots. it amazes me how so many things fought about can be discussed with one side not being able to conjure an actual argument. she didnt even say how obama is a cup cake. if she had actually given some sort of comparison on how many of his policies were reflections of the cup cake agenda, then i could be a bit more forgiving of this mindless scare tactic. i'm not even a huge supporter of anything political, but what i would like to see is a bit more reson and logic in the world of politics. its not gonna happen though

i have no idea how things work in other countries, but here, it just seems like its all just a storm of mindlessly shooting down anything one is a bit scared of, blindly following what anyone tells you, intelligently gathering data and comparing it to trends in history, or just sticking to what you know to form a conclusion. and everything else in between. in other words, a very confusing mess of every political approach, and i left a good few things out.

amusing to hear that burn though politics arent my best discussion piece though, so thats about all i can say about that.

[Guest CharlieRose]

I think a lot of it has to do with xenophobia/racism towards our first black president. Bush actually apparently did a healthcare bill with the exact same senior counseling services that everyone is now calling "Death Panels." It's ridiculous. People are thinking of the worst possible scenario, and I'm pretty sure it's because Obama is, in many ways including his race, very different from other presidents we've had before. So rather than becoming a calm discussion about a pertinent issue, it becomes "What is this country turning into?! He's going to turn us into the USSR! He's going to take away my guns! He's going to kill my grandma! Socialist/cup cake/Tyrant!!!!" It's completely unfounded and makes them look more than a little paranoid/idiotic. The only thing is that they're a rather large portion of the country, so they don't really care what they look like.

[Guest JesseD]

Barney Frank = my new favorite politician.

Seriously... I don't understand how jobless people can argue against this!

Before I lost my job to giant corporate merger, my company provided me with FREE health insurance. Yes. Free through Kaiser who I'd been with my whole life.

Now that I'm unemployed? I'd be LUCKY to find something under $250 a month. And how the hell am I supposed to afford that? Especially since before I lost my job, I was providing my partner with health insurance too (at shockingly cheap prices) so now we'd have to find some way to factor in about $500 more into our budget. It just isn't happening.

The point is, if we had nationalized health care, the people who didn't lose their jobs could keep that awesome free health care through work and -I- could get on the 'socialist' plan and wouldn't find myself completely screwed over.

Sometimes I hate the people in my country. Sigh.

[Guest Zabrak]

Did you notice that the guy who is facing losing his house thinks that it is socialist to offer a loan to him to save his house that he would be repaying upon getting a job? These people embarrass me so much.

Yeah that didn't really make sense...lol..

Over in Canada we help people too. The thing is, the goverment makes money on doing things like that(lending money) so all it really does is help keep Canada wealthy as a whole. Theres so much tax we pay back from being lent that money.

They can't seem to grasp that public health care would be a option but private would survive by being better for the people that can afford it. What is so wrong in making sure that everyone has healthcare?

i have no idea how things work in other countries

We(Canada) do have private healthcare over here too, and most places have the option pay upfront and get everything done now, or wait till the goverment funds you. It sorta sucks that private gets everything done faster but hey, at lest everyone gets help. More happy/healthy people more work being done, less people on welfare. Helping everyone only helps the country as a whole in my honest opinion. Again though, my opinion doesn't count for anything.

think a lot of it has to do with xenophobia/racism towards our first black president.

Sigh...

On the streets over here people use to rally againts bush - and very often(because we are canadian and we can, eh.). Now theres no one on the streets againts the US president.

[Guest AllisonD]

The thing that annoys me the most is when people conjure up the name of the cup cake's to describe anything they disagree with, or find to be something they feel to be imposed upon them. Most of these people are incredibly ignorant, and most likely know very little about the German National Socialist party.

Certainly proposing a health care bill and having a national discussion on such issues is about the farthest thing from the what a real cup cake regime would have done.

The cup cake's didn't have a debate on anything. They didn't put anything up for congressional votes. The cup cake party didn't put its documents and plans up for public discussion and examination. Hitler never had town hall meetings with people to try to explain to them his reasoning for wanting to do what he did.

Sure he did. He was famous for his longwinded speeches about what he wanted to do and why. Incredibly charismatic. Insane, wrong, evil - but charismatic.

Allison

[Guest Janis]

I think a lot of it has to do with xenophobia/racism towards our first black president. Bush actually apparently did a healthcare bill with the exact same senior counseling services that everyone is now calling "Death Panels." It's ridiculous. People are thinking of the worst possible scenario, and I'm pretty sure it's because Obama is, in many ways including his race, very different from other presidents we've had before. So rather than becoming a calm discussion about a pertinent issue, it becomes "What is this country turning into?! He's going to turn us into the USSR! He's going to take away my guns! He's going to kill my grandma! Socialist/cup cake/Tyrant!!!!" It's completely unfounded and makes them look more than a little paranoid/idiotic. The only thing is that they're a rather large portion of the country, so they don't really care what they look like.

As sad as it may seem this woman was not a conservative. She is part of the Cult of Lyndon LaRouche. If you want to have a look into the liberal world they live in have a look at this link http://www.larouchepac.com/

I don't think that all the protests are due to racism, don't get me wrong I'm sure there are some. I feel that this is a knee jerk reaction by the left that if you don't agree with the president you are a racist. I'm a little touchy on this since someone got in my face and calling me a racist since i kind of went off on a rant about the government.

Racist? No I distrust all government.

Janis

[Guest Valentine]

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/19/barne...nk-pwns-cr.html

Exchange at a "town hall" meeting on the "health care debate," which more and more has nothing to do with health care and resembles a crazy people lynch mob:

Crazy lady: "Why do you support a cup cake policy?"

Barney Frank: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

OWNED.

Healthcare effects everyone in the USA(transgendered suffer from it too). It pains me to hear about people in the USA unable to help themselves because they can't afford healthcare. To me, that sounds like a crime. My stand on this is I really hope you guys get cheaper/free healthcare.

Good luck to the USA and enjoy this funny clip!

An important point is that Government Health Care is NOT free. It is paid for by taxes. Which I would like to point out that Barney Frank wants to raise. That's $1 Trillion over the next 10 years, peaking at $245 Billion in 2019. I wouldn't call $1 Trillion "FREE."

Frank also deliberately attempted to mislead the audience by comparing Unemployment Insurance with Socialism, Unemployment Insurance is just that, Insurance. Premiums are paid, and benefits are paid out. If Unemployment Insurance is Socialism, all insurance is socialism.

I also found his anti-profit comments very interesting.

Disparaging the people that elected you to office isn't a very good policy in a politician. I expect this time next year a lot of the footage of politicians calling people names or otherwise making fun of them, will show up in ad campaigns by their opponents.

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Did you notice that the guy who is facing losing his house thinks that it is socialist to offer a loan to him to save his house that he would be repaying upon getting a job? These people embarrass me so much.

The government is not a bank. It has no obligation to loan people money for any reason. Taking your and my money and lending it to someone else, may not be socialist, but certainly isn't free market. If the government doesn't require repayment, it is socialism. The Cash for Clunkers program is socialism, I was forced to help someone else buy a new car.

think a lot of it has to do with xenophobia/racism towards our first black president. Bush actually apparently did a healthcare bill with the exact same senior counseling services that everyone is now calling "Death Panels." It's ridiculous. People are thinking of the worst possible scenario, and I'm pretty sure it's because Obama is, in many ways including his race, very different from other presidents we've had before. So rather than becoming a calm discussion about a pertinent issue, it becomes "What is this country turning into?! He's going to turn us into the USSR! He's going to take away my guns! He's going to kill my grandma! Socialist/cup cake/Tyrant!!!!" It's completely unfounded and makes them look more than a little paranoid/idiotic. The only thing is that they're a rather large portion of the country, so they don't really care what they look like.

Before you start calling things unfounded, note that Obama voted to restrict gun ownership in Illinois.

This, except for a few extremists, is not about race. It is about yet another huge government program that will cost trillions of dollars, causing taxes to go up.

They can't seem to grasp that public health care would be a option but private would survive by being better for the people that can afford it. What is so wrong in making sure that everyone has healthcare? That jobless guy should be demanding it not fighting it. If he gets sick or breaks a bone right now he wouldn't even be admitted into a hospital for treatment right now. He would just be stuck outside bleeding to death while he waits in line for a chance to be seen in a free clinic that may or may not be equipped to help him. Oh yeah thats so much better then giving national health care.

You know your little scenario there is completely untrue. If you get sick or break your leg and show up at a hospital emergency room, they treat you. You do not end up stuck outside bleeding to death. I've severely cut myself, and just walked over to the emergency room, where they got my name and address and then sewed up the cut, no other questions asked. I wasn't refused service, forced to wait very long, or even asked if I could pay for the services.

Personally I think that Barney Frank is the rear end of a horse.

[Guest Leah1026]

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/19/barne...nk-pwns-cr.html

Exchange at a "town hall" meeting on the "health care debate," which more and more has nothing to do with health care and resembles a crazy people lynch mob:

Crazy lady: "Why do you support a cup cake policy?"

Barney Frank: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

OWNED.

Healthcare effects everyone in the USA(transgendered suffer from it too). It pains me to hear about people in the USA unable to help themselves because they can't afford healthcare. To me, that sounds like a crime. My stand on this is I really hope you guys get cheaper/free healthcare.

Good luck to the USA and enjoy this funny clip!

I don't know if you realize how crazy this lady is. She was saying that to Barney Frank when:

1. He's gay

2. He's Jewish

Both groups that the cup cake's sent to the gas chambers or ovens.

That women should be institutionalized for such stupidity. I don't find the clip funny at all. I think it's appalling.

[Guest skyy]

I don't know if you realize how crazy this lady is. She was saying that to Barney Frank when:

1. He's gay

2. He's Jewish

Both groups that the cup cake's sent to the gas chambers or ovens.

That women should be institutionalized for such stupidity. I don't find the clip funny at all. I think it's appalling.

woah...he is jewish and gay....that really changes things. i withdraw the amusement, that is something you just dont do. i hope she didnt realize that about him at least, ortherwise that is just beyond sick...

[Guest CharlieRose]

Before you start calling things unfounded, note that Obama voted to restrict gun ownership in Illinois.

This, except for a few extremists, is not about race. It is about yet another huge government program that will cost trillions of dollars, causing taxes to go up.

It's not, really, for a lot of people. If it wasn't about race, if it was only about taxes and healthcare, then people wouldn't be getting so hysterical. Obama has not proposed death panels or turning the united states into a dictatorship, but so many people are convinced he has or he's secretly going to, and I think that it's because he's so different from our other presidents. Rational, reasonable discussion about healthcare is just fine, but the conspiracy theories some people are coming up with are absolutely bonkers.

[Guest Pól]

A real-life application of Godwin's Law?

[Guest mia 1]

You can't make this crap up..One woman told the NYT "The government better not mess with my Medicare"...there are a lot of crazies in these 50 states,,and the craziest one just resigned her governership,,,why? because she wanted to.......and the jerk in South Carolina won't resign his why..because that is all he's got for income

[Guest Zabrak]

I don't know if you realize how crazy this lady is. She was saying that to Barney Frank when:

1. He's gay

2. He's Jewish

Both groups that the cup cake's sent to the gas chambers or ovens.

That women should be institutionalized for such stupidity. I don't find the clip funny at all. I think it's appalling.

That lady is crazy and WRONG - but this clip was handed to me by my boyfriend who was born in the USA, he still found it funny. What I found funny about it is how he "owned" her and seemly put her in her place(although I doubt her brain processed what just happend). If I could I'd have all of those people locked up who wont allow public health care and only want to hog their private healthcare. As I said, I find I sick...Even though I have no say.

[Guest Valentine]

It's not, really, for a lot of people. If it wasn't about race, if it was only about taxes and healthcare, then people wouldn't be getting so hysterical. Obama has not proposed death panels or turning the united states into a dictatorship, but so many people are convinced he has or he's secretly going to, and I think that it's because he's so different from our other presidents. Rational, reasonable discussion about healthcare is just fine, but the conspiracy theories some people are coming up with are absolutely bonkers.

Just like all of the conspiracy theories about Bush? People claimed that Bush was going retain the Presidency after his second term, still claim that he was behind 9/11, claim just about everything about him, including that he is the Anti-Christ.

Yes Obama is different than every other President. His administration has taken over private corporations, forced banks to take "loans," then not allowed them to repay the "loans." He even has a Tsar to regulate the pay of employees of private companies.

Why is it that a white person disagreeing with a black man is automatically assumed to be racist?

Rational, reasonable discussion would be good. Barney Frank asking someone "On what planet do you spend most of your time?," and comparing them to a table. That certainly is rational and reasonable. No the woman, a member of LaRouche Youth Movement, certainly wasn't being rational, but is that any reason for Frank to go down to her level? Other Democratic politicians have also been less than rational, Pelosi is saying the whole movement is fake, amazing not one person came to that conclusion on their own. Boxer saying that they are all organized, certain members of the media calling them teabaggers, and racists. Are any of those people acting rational?

Zabrak, you want to lock up all the people "who wont allow public health care and only want to hog their private healthcare." Gee I'm against public health care and I don't have private health care to hog. So would you lock me up to?

[Guest Zabrak]

My opinion on this holds 0 power, and pretty much 0 meaning - just my thoughts from a distant country, and I have the same rights as anyone to word them. So take it however you like.

[Guest Valentine]

My opinion on this holds 0 power, and pretty much 0 meaning - just my thoughts from a distant country, and I have the same rights as anyone to word them. So take it however you like.

Can't you just answer the question? I understand that you have no power and no meaning, but if you are going to express your opinion you could at least have the curtesy to answer questions about it.

[Guest Zabrak]

I did answer.

[Guest Valentine]

I did answer.

No you didn't, but then again I didn't really expect an answer.