Intersexed And Have Menses

[Bulldog1948]

Just curious. Have any of you who have been diagnosed as IS, have both genitals ever have a period. I realize that it would probably be extremely rare, but possible.

[Guest mia 1]

name='Bulldog1948' date='Aug 27 2009, 09:50 PM' post='104260']

Just curious. Have any of you who have been diagnosed as IS, have both genitals ever have a period. I realize that it would probably be extremely rare, but possible.

I know about intersexed but only from heresay..tell us more what it is like and give your views whatt gender you believe yourself to be..Honestly besides fiction and some soft porn which I have seen.... I have never met an intersexed person on this forum, nor anywhere else

Pleae feel free to tell us more about you mia

[Guest ~Brenda~]

Indeed,

I admit that this group of brothers and sisters are people that I need to know better and understand better. Please do explain how we can better understand you and help.

Love

Brenda

[Bulldog1948]

name='Bulldog1948' date='Aug 27 2009, 09:50 PM' post='104260']

Just curious. Have any of you who have been diagnosed as IS, have both genitals ever have a period. I realize that it would probably be extremely rare, but possible.

I know about intersexed but only from heresay..tell us more what it is like and give your views whatt gender you believe yourself to be..Honestly besides fiction and some soft porn which I have seen.... I have never met an intersexed person on this forum, nor anywhere else

Pleae feel free to tell us more about you mia

Well, I am an intersexed individual. It truly seems strange that this is an intersex forum and there doesn't seem to be anyone on here that really speaks on the subject. So, I guess that I will.

I was born back when the drs didn't know crap about the intersex condition; unless it was so blatent it couldn't be ignored. As far as my parents knew I had no type of surgery, but then again the drs back then weren't always truthful with the families.

My great aunt alerted me to my condition when I was very young. She loved to go to the circus way back when they traveled by farm wagons, no cars. Of course that had sideshows and had people that were intersexed and you could see them for a dime or a quarter if they were big name freaks.

So, here I am with an Adams apple and the personality of a boy. I was raised female and looked like a Sweetie in drag - no offense meant nor intended. I always did boy stuff,hunting,fishing,working in the fields and I was the best so-called female athlete that our school had ever had. I trained with the boys whevevr I could. The real girls disliked me and said I was chasing their little boy friends; yeah right.

I came out as gay after I graduated, later as a ftm and finally after some medical discovery I am an intersexual and even have a prostate gland, a small penis and another part that I don't nor have ever needed. I was able to get my BC ameneded without any problems whatsover once the judge read the medical records. Ohio has a real problem with TS birth certificates but not intersexual ones [ it's in the Ohio Revised code]. I did all of the legal research on it and gave it to my lawyer.

I have been Blessed with 2 beautiful wives. The first one passed away and I met my present wife in church. She's been a Sunday school teacher for 50 yrs. We sorta fell in love at first meeting. I took her out to dinner. Two weeks later I told her about myself, showed her the medical stuff and we were married a few months later in the Church.

I am normally a very quiet kind of guy and don't discuss my personal business, but maybe this little bit of info will help an encourage other intersexed folks to come forward and join the discussion.

If you would like to discuss this further you may pm me,ok.

Mike

[Guest ~Brenda~]

BullDog,

Thank you for your frank and honest disclosure of what being intersexed means. Like you, I do hope that more intersexed people come here and know that they are safe and as much of our community as anyone else. None of you have anything to be ashamed of or afraid of. We are all here together.

Welcome BullDog!!!

Love

Brenda

[Guest *Elizabeth Anne*]

May be. I am having it checked out in September. I have scar tissue in the right place (or wrong place). I think I may have been born with a blind vagina - my thereapisrt wants me checked - no adams apple - sweetface - late puberty, quick reaction to HRT (I am already bigger in my chest than my mother). But mainly because of that scar,

Who knows, If so it would be extemely rare as I was performing male - having had three children. Will update one way or another.

Lizzy

[Bulldog1948]

BullDog,

Thank you for your frank and honest disclosure of what being intersexed means. Like you, I do hope that more intersexed people come here and know that they are safe and as much of our community as anyone else. None of you have anything to be ashamed of or afraid of. We are all here together.

Welcome BullDog!!!

Love

Brenda

Thank you Brenda.

And, as the old saying goes " you must be true to thine ownself". I'm a very happy man. We have grandkids and great grandkids [ on my wife's side]. They all know my situation and totally accepted it right from the beginning. Our one grandson is a Capt in the Army [ his wife is also a Capt]. He just deployed to Afghanistand. He's in MI and isn't allowed contact with anyone. I have a grandpa & ex Army feeling about where he's at though.

Anyway, we are all Gods childern. Some of us are white,some black,some brown and so on. Some are born totally male or female. Others are a mish-mash. Thank God for drs who are willing to help all of us get our bodies and mind set as one and not going in to too many different directions at once.

Mike

[Bulldog1948]

May be. I am having it checked out in September. I have scar tissue in the right place (or wrong place). I think I may have been born with a blind vagina - my thereapisrt wants me checked - no adams apple - sweetface - late puberty, quick reaction to HRT (I am already bigger in my chest than my mother). But mainly because of that scar,

Who knows, If so it would be extemely rare as I was performing male - having had three children. Will update one way or another.

Lizzy

Lizzy, even though it would be extrememly rare, it is possible. Did you take a look at the pictures or rather website that was posted? They've got some very interesting pics over there, including one male who had a uterus and fallopian tubes also overies I beleive.

With all of that said. A so-called normal man or woman is really fortunate, they don't have to deal with all of the gender , physical and psychological drams that we, as either TS or intersexed individuals have to.

Mike

[Guest AlwaysConfused]

Just out of curiosity, which is the type of intersexualism that would cause a person to have a male external genitalia but internal female reproductive organs?

[Guest angie]

I know a intersexed whose self identity is female.

Has a set of both sexual organs,and menstrates monthly.

We all thought she was,for lack of a better term,loony,

when she would blurt out about her periods at group.

But the medical community agrees with her,after a long

battery of tests.And although I haven't seen her genitals

myself,I do believe her now.She was raised male,but her

parents must have been very enlightened for their time.

For they never had any surgeries preformed on her when

she was small.Letting time pass so she could choose which

sex to be. So it does happen,it is very rare,but it does happen.

Angie

[Guest AlwaysConfused]

I know a intersexed whose self identity is female.

Has a set of both sexual organs,and menstrates monthly.

We all thought she was,for lack of a better term,loony,

when she would blurt out about her periods at group.

But the medical community agrees with her,after a long

battery of tests.And although I haven't seen her genitals

myself,I do believe her now.She was raised male,but her

parents must have been very enlightened for their time.

For they never had any surgeries preformed on her when

she was small.Letting time pass so she could choose which

sex to be. So it does happen,it is very rare,but it does happen.

Angie

Hmm, what exactly do you mean by "both sexual organs"? Is it possible for someone to have ONLY male external genitalia but fully female internal reproductive organs? And if so, could it be possible for them to have full male secondary sex characteristics and never know they were intersexed until they started getting a period? I think no, because people only have one pair of gonads and they can become either testicles or ovaries but not both, but, I'm not absolutely sure. I think someone could have fully male external organs, but have a uterus, and, possibly some hormone-producing tissue that might cause it to slough to the extent that there would be some menstruation due to hormone-induced reasons. I'm not sure. This is what I am wondering...

[Guest Ryles_D]

Just out of curiosity, which is the type of intersexualism that would cause a person to have a male external genitalia but internal female reproductive organs?

I don't know about one wehre they have a full set of both, if that's what you mean. It might be possible, but typically a main objection to the term "hermaphrodite" is that it brings to mind people with fully formed sets of both genitalia, and that's not true of what intersexed people are.

I do know about XX/XY chimera (chimera=2 sets of DNA in one body) cases where they have exactly half of each genitalia, so one testicle and one ovary, possibly a fully formed (or close enough) penis and half a uterus. They can't bear children in their uterus because it's only half, from my understanding, and I'm not sure what happens when they hit puberty without surgery because they have both a testicle and an ovary. In all the cases I've heard of this (only 2), they were surgically turned male at birth. Which is a bad idea, as one of them grew up to be a woman who could have had a working ovary if her parents hadn't thought they could control her gender.

Also, there are cases of women having very large clitorises, large enough to cause confusion at birth at least. I think it's caused by higher amounts of testosterone. I don't think this counts as male external genitalia- but it's kinda close since if it's large enough it can look a bit like a penis. I don't know if they're capable of penetrating, though.

It's possible to have internal male reproductive organs (undescended testes) and external female genitalia (vulva), such as in the case of Androgen Insensitive women who are XY chromosomally but don't respond to testosterone (either completely or partially) so form as female. I've never heard of the opposite, though.

[Guest AlwaysConfused]

It's possible to have internal male reproductive organs (undescended testes) and external female genitalia (vulva), such as in the case of Androgen Insensitive women who are XY chromosomally but don't respond to testosterone (either completely or partially) so form as female. I've never heard of the opposite, though.

Yeah, that is what I was thinking. Cause I have heard about that. (The androgen insensitivity thing) but so I was wondering then, if there could be such a thing as a, I dunno, estrogen insensitive female, with exactly the opposite condition, internal female reproductive organs and external male genitalia?

[Guest N. Jane]

There has never been, to the best of my knowledge (which isn't minuscule) a person born with both ovaries and testes, at least not functional - either being functional precludes the other from developing - although there are cases where people have one of each - it used to be called "true hermaphrodism" but I don't think that is the politically correct term any more.

There are between 50 and 100 identified Intersex conditions, a large number of which can give rise to genitals that appear male or female but with differing internal organs and only a complete and extensive medical work-up can determine which condition is present. "Gender identity" is not considered part of or even related to Intersex (for the most part).

[Guest My_Genesis]

I dunno if this is much help to you but congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) is sometimes considered an intersex condition, I dn't know if you know anything about vlogging on YouTube but a transguy on there, probably the most popular of all of them, recently found out he has CAH and he's in his 20s. In terms of all the... erm girly issues I have been very irregular with that for about a year now and that is one of the symptoms of CAH so I am cuious to figure out whether or not I have that condition... you asked about having both genitals but there are also intersex conditions that do not involve having the genitals of both sexes, CAH being one of them. I think this holds true some forms of AIS as well..not sure though... (and of course there is what is still commonly referred to as "hermaphroditism", which simply means having the gonads of both sexes... which is not the same as having the genitals of both sexes )

[Guest Ryles_D]

Yeah, that is what I was thinking. Cause I have heard about that. (The androgen insensitivity thing) but so I was wondering then, if there could be such a thing as a, I dunno, estrogen insensitive female, with exactly the opposite condition, internal female reproductive organs and external male genitalia?

I don't know how that works, but it's possible. Do you know if estrogen is converted to testosterone? I think AIS only works because the testes produce testosterone that the body doesn't react to, so it's then converted to estrogen that the body can use. I've never heard of estrogen being converted into testosterone, so I'm not sure how well the opposite could work. I could be wrong, though. And with so many different kinds of intersexed, it could happen.

[Guest AlwaysConfused]

I don't know how that works, but it's possible. Do you know if estrogen is converted to testosterone? I think AIS only works because the testes produce testosterone that the body doesn't react to, so it's then converted to estrogen that the body can use. I've never heard of estrogen being converted into testosterone, so I'm not sure how well the opposite could work. I could be wrong, though. And with so many different kinds of intersexed, it could happen.

I ask because I have some...oh dear, how shall I put this...odd........symptoms.

[Guest Ryles_D]

Do you mind saying what symptoms? "Kilefelters" might be something to look into- it's male, but XXY.