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Can The Mind Over Ride Genetics?


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this has been on my mind for some time. i have watched a lot of csi, and read a lot of physiological articles, and have noticed that the mind can actually cause things to happen to our body's if we truly believe it.

currently i am not on hrt yet, but i have started noticing that my body is losing weight and gaining it in areas that make no scene. one of which is, my hole arms have slimmed down a lot, which is quit odd considering i am not on hrt yet and my work, which is a inventory control specialist... basically Manuel labor with the trucks and checking in high price items like LCD TV's and i pods and such. i have also noticed that i do not have the strength as i once did which i never really cared for to be truthful, always got annoyed when I'd get told to lift something cause i was a "guy" really, i hate when they do that <_< anyway... back to what i was saying i also noticed i have gained a more rounded face, cheeks are a bit more uplifted i guess you can say. even my fingers look to have gotten narrower.

i was wondering if anyone else has ever noticed such things happening?

or you think i'm just crazy and seeing things that are not really there :P

though on a off note... could u imagine, if threw sheer will and desire we could change our body's to what we want, after all... never know what we can do when we put our mind to something. ;)

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Guest Charlene_Leona

No I don't think you are seeing things. The mind and body are linked and with enough thought one can make anything possible.

Charlene Leona

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Foxy,

You're absolutely correct about the mind. I've done a great deal of studying on the power of the mind and how to harness it. I do it all the time to make things happen and sometimes it's almost creepy. I can use it to find a parking place, for example. A carful of us were trying to find a parking place at Disneyworld and I told them I'd get them one (not that I'd find one, I'd get them one). After driving around a little, we were running short of time and I said, "right down this lane, halfway on the right, it's the perfect spot" There it was. Creepy, but effective. :rolleyes:

You're not the first one to post on this topic, I've seen quite a few others and have had some similar experience myself. Both the genetic male and the genetic female produce estrogen and testosterone. It appears that some of us just can get our bodies going to make what we need. B)

The biggest change is mental and once we have that settled, the mind can take over and frequently does.

Yvonne

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Guest Donna Jean
Foxy,

The biggest change is mental and once we have that settled, the mind can take over and frequently does.

Yvonne

Foxy....

Sweetie, outer space is better understood than the human mind....

There are many cases of very ill people "willing" themselves to get better....I don't discount the power of the human mind at all...

Some people are better tuned to their brain than others and seem to have more abilitys...healing, precognition, projection....there are amazing things that the mind is capable of...

What you're talking about in your case...your brain my have shut down your testosterone producing organs allowing your natural estrogen to become dominant....

Interesting stuff, Honey!

Huggs

Donna Jean

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Let's see,Hmmmm,

I waited for four long years to begin my physical journey.

Dieted and exercised to my hearts content,continually trying

to make my body more feminine.No Go.All it did for me, was

I was a slimmer,in great shape,less masculine appearing(male).

The mind can work wonders,but it takes the magic of hormone

therapy,to get us where we are going.

Angelique Michelle

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this has been on my mind for some time. i have watched a lot of csi, and read a lot of physiological articles, and have noticed that the mind can actually cause things to happen to our body's if we truly believe it.

currently i am not on hrt yet, but i have started noticing that my body is losing weight and gaining it in areas that make no scene. one of which is, my hole arms have slimmed down a lot, which is quit odd considering i am not on hrt yet and my work, which is a inventory control specialist... basically Manuel labor with the trucks and checking in high price items like LCD TV's and i pods and such. i have also noticed that i do not have the strength as i once did which i never really cared for to be truthful, always got annoyed when I'd get told to lift something cause i was a "guy" really, i hate when they do that <_< anyway... back to what i was saying i also noticed i have gained a more rounded face, cheeks are a bit more uplifted i guess you can say. even my fingers look to have gotten narrower.

i was wondering if anyone else has ever noticed such things happening?

or you think i'm just crazy and seeing things that are not really there :P

though on a off note... could u imagine, if threw sheer will and desire we could change our body's to what we want, after all... never know what we can do when we put our mind to something. ;)

Hi Foxy,

I am not on hrt yet and although I am losing weight my moobs are sticking around :) Also, with my hair getting longer there are times when, just

for a split second, I see a more feminine me in the mirror-just now and then . So yeh Foxy, with you on that one . Re the last bit hun, shhhhh, the men in

the white coats :rolleyes::):D Luv, Viv.

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Guest ~Brenda~

Hey Foxy ;)

Sweetie, you are actually right on! Yes indeed, your mind can have a dramatic effect on your body. As far as I know, it won't replace HRT, but your mind can help tremendously to get you closer to where you want to be without HRT.

Just so that you know, I experienced the same thing to such an extent that people commented (especially at the beginning).

Pretty exciting when you start noticing changes in the right direction!!!

Love

Brenda

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We are just really beginning to understand that the mind-body dualism is an artificial construct which is based on philosophy rather than actual science. In reality this duality does not exist. Fact is what we think does have a huge impact on us physically and the reverse is just as true.

My father was a pioneer in the field of medical hypnosis. As a kid I was exposed first-hand to the amazing power of the mind in terms of affecting the body. Since then studies of the effects of meditation (like yoga) and the power of suggestion, including auto-suggestion have given a great deal of insight into the mind-body inter-relatedness.

As this applies to us transpeople, the effects of auto-suggestion varies with individuals. I will share from my own experience (and I am not on HRT) there are times that I feel very "hormonal" i.e. it feels like my estrogen levels are high. My penis actually retracts inside of my body during these times so that between my legs I appear and feel more female than male.

ricka

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We are just really beginning to understand that the mind-body dualism is an artificial construct which is based on philosophy rather than actual science. In reality this duality does not exist. Fact is what we think does have a huge impact on us physically and the reverse is just as true.

My father was a pioneer in the field of medical hypnosis. As a kid I was exposed first-hand to the amazing power of the mind in terms of affecting the body. Since then studies of the effects of meditation (like yoga) and the power of suggestion, including auto-suggestion have given a great deal of insight into the mind-body inter-relatedness.

As this applies to us transpeople, the effects of auto-suggestion varies with individuals. I will share from my own experience (and I am not on HRT) there are times that I feel very "hormonal" i.e. it feels like my estrogen levels are high. My penis actually retracts inside of my body during these times so that between my legs I appear and feel more female than male.

ricka

Hi Ricka,

Yep, know exactly what your saying re the hormonal stuff. And to a degree I would suggest

we Trans people probably make an "unusual" amount of estrogen . I went from 14 stone to just over

12 stone and my man boobs (irony) are still there , now for the" twilight zone" bit, I actually get

very emotional re my boobs. My identification with womanhood is unbreakable / thats head stuff,

AND I LOVE IT!!. The thread starter ( oh sorry hun , cant think of your name ) makes a good claim

imho , I just cant go with the last bit . Love you all today and twice as much tomorrow, viv.

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Hi Foxy, viv again,

Reading your post again and it got me thinking , if things are that good for you now /imagine how

wonderful you will be 12 months into estrogen. I have lost a good bit of weight over the last year or so and I was

standing in front of my mirror one day last week , only underwear on, I have a bad back and so was stretching .

I had my arms up /you know , trying to touch the ceiling and I swear Foxy , before me , an hour glass shape.

I hope with weight management and estrogen I can still have that shape without stretching up. Hope even better

for you hun, Luv, Viv. PS, let me know what you think when you have time. :)

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and my man boobs (irony) are still there , now for the" twilight zone" bit, I actually get

very emotional re my boobs. My identification with womanhood is unbreakable / thats head stuff,

AND I LOVE IT!!. viv.

I'm soooo with you there, girl! I have always believed that my breasts developed fully to their current size and shape because I loved (and experienced a certain pride) having female breasts and they are certainly central to my identity as a woman. While I can sympathize with gendered males who experience distress at having breasts it was never that way for me, partly I am sure because men find them attractive. And the fact is that our mammary glands produce estrogen which in turn has an impact on the mind as far as feeling and thinking like a woman. LOL, I have come to think of my breasts as estrogen factories which of course they are.

ricka

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Hi Foxy, viv again,

Reading your post again and it got me thinking , if things are that good for you now /imagine how

wonderful you will be 12 months into estrogen. I have lost a good bit of weight over the last year or so and I was

standing in front of my mirror one day last week , only underwear on, I have a bad back and so was stretching .

I had my arms up /you know , trying to touch the ceiling and I swear Foxy , before me , an hour glass shape.

I hope with weight management and estrogen I can still have that shape without stretching up. Hope even better

for you hun, Luv, Viv. PS, let me know what you think when you have time. :)

god i know as if i could be any more excited to get on hrt >_<

don't it just overwhelm you with happiness when you see the small glimpses of change?

hehe sorry i did not type more, my minds all messed up from this flu...took me 30 minuets to just think of those 2 sentences :P thank god my heads on my shoulders or my mind might of wondered off down the yellow brick road by now

P.S the men in the white coats seem nice :lol::P

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god i know as if i could be any more excited to get on hrt >_<

don't it just overwhelm you with happiness when you see the small glimpses of change?

hehe sorry i did not type more, my minds all messed up from this flu...took me 30 minuets to just think of those 2 sentences :P thank god my heads on my shoulders or my mind might of wondered off down the yellow brick road by now

P.S the men in the white coats seem nice :lol::P

Hi, Foxy.

Small differences ??, sure , its wonderful. ya know I saw a before and after photo of one of our friends earlier,

I was amazed, the difference re hrt was fab. Sorry re your flu.,,,,,,, re men in white, sorry, me being an idiot. viv.

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Guest NatashaJade
Hi Foxy,

I am not on hrt yet and although I am losing weight my moobs are sticking around :) Also, with my hair getting longer there are times when, just

for a split second, I see a more feminine me in the mirror-just now and then . So yeh Foxy, with you on that one . Re the last bit hun, shhhhh, the men in

the white coats :rolleyes::):D Luv, Viv.

I am experiencing something similar to this (I know my breasts would look so much bigger on a smaller frame...sigh). I never thought I would see the girl in me, but she is coming out.

Now if only I could will my hairline back down or my body hair to grow less...profusely :rolleyes:

Gin

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I am experiencing something similar to this (I know my breasts would look so much bigger on a smaller frame...sigh). I never thought I would see the girl in me, but she is coming out.

Now if only I could will my hairline back down or my body hair to grow less...profusely :rolleyes:

Gin

If you add finasteride/propeccia/proscar/fincar all the same thing,not only will you get more

hair back where it belongs,it helps in feminizing facial features,as your DHT is knocked down.

Body hair starts reducing in the tummy area first,then chest/breast,then fingers,hands and arms.The legs will be the slowest,but they do become very much less covered in hair as the follicles become very fine by eighteen months in transition.

Hugs Gin,

Angie

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Guest NatashaJade
If you add finasteride/propeccia/proscar/fincar all the same thing,not only will you get more

hair back where it belongs,it helps in feminizing facial features,as your DHT is knocked down.

Body hair starts reducing in the tummy area first,then chest/breast,then fingers,hands and arms.The legs will be the slowest,but they do become very much less covered in hair as the follicles become very fine by eighteen months in transition.

Hugs Gin,

Angie

Angie,

Will spiro or other t-blockers serve the same purpose as propecia et al?

Gin

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