For 18's And Over...

[Guest Zenda]

Kia Ora all,

What is your driving force for wanting surgery…Is it just for body conformity or a combination of both sexual desires/drive and conformity...? For example for me[i’ve already had surgery] it was 100 % ‘conformity’ -I’m asexual and sex in any shape or form is of no interest to me-the opportunities are plentiful but my desires aren’t…

In regards to your reasons for wanting genital surgery-if a psychiatrist who was assessing your suitability were to ask you what percentage would you rate your driving force ie, the desire to conform and or the desire to have a sex life what would yours be [example 90% conformity 10% sexual desire or 50-50]?

To put it another way…what’s more important to you …the sex or body conformity?

Metta Jendar

[Guest GoldenKirbichu]

Well, I don't really see why I'm too young to comment on this... we teenagers, especially transsexual teenagers, are usually ~very~ aware of sexuality and of orientation and other issues of the like. So I'm going to attempt to comment and hope that I'll be allowed to speak my mind...

Like I've said multiple times, I'm pansexual, and so my partner is unlikely to be a specific type. So on that note, it's not like I need a specific anatomy for a specific purpose... My genitalia are pretty irrelevant, at least to me.

I am already completely anorgasmic at the moment. Whether this is a result of faulty brain wiring or not, I don't know; all I know is that I'm incapable of orgasm of any kind. I can feel SOME pleasure, but not very much; without going into TOO much detail, it's not very fulfilling and often leaves me more sexually frustrated than I started out. So I'm very "stone", if I can use that term. More give, less take.

On that note, transitioning JUST for the sex would be a ludicrous idea.

So I guess I'd have to say I'd get the surgery purely for body conforming reasons. I'm not likely to be able to feel much of anything after it, unless techniques dramatically change... so it'd be stupid to do much else.

[Guest Madison_Always]

for me it's about 98%conformity and alligning my body w/ my mind

[Guest Mr. Fox]

I'd say about 50-50. Ooh, another minor posting on the forum! (Runs from the age police)

[Guest Zenda]

Now Now children, I was only trying to be PC [kind of a preemptive strike to what the contents might entail] when I put 'For over 18s'...There are quite a few young people in the forum for whom sexual desires are not relevant when it comes to discussing their identity issues... I was just trying to do the 'right thing' But hey if you are comfortable discussing it[taking into account there is nothing 'obscene' in the contents] and you're not 18 or over AND you have your 'parent's' consent who am I to judge...

Metta Jendar...

[Guest silverpetals]

wow. call the topic "for 18's and over" and the first 4 (including me) members who reply are under 18...now doesn't that just say something

anyway, could we add 'social conformity' as well as 'body conformity'? since a lot of it (in my eyes anyway) is kind of..."women have this so i should have this...men have these so i should have these...etc etc (though i can't think of any et ceteras lol)"

[Guest silverpetals]

oops, sorry about posting twice but for me it's 100% body/social conformity and 0% sex drive/desires.

if i never had sex (OMG!! i said sex!) after srs, i don't think it would bother me that much . but then, i'll probably think wildly different when i'm older and when i (if i ever ) have a relationship.

[Guest GoldenKirbichu]

wow. call the topic "for 18's and over" and the first 4 (including me) members who reply are under 18...now doesn't that just say something

anyway, could we add 'social conformity' as well as 'body conformity'? since a lot of it (in my eyes anyway) is kind of..."women have this so i should have this...men have these so i should have these...etc etc (though i can't think of any et ceteras lol)"

Hey, we're a mature bunch of kids. At least we're not pointing and grinning.

And, I agree with the social conformity part of it, too. I want to be able to stand in a shower in a men's change room and not be raped or arrested, both of which will be all too common if I try it before SAS.

[Guest o0tg0o]

I got to admit I do have a sex drive. Although, it's not the most important factor for me.

Then again, lately I've been having unmentionable dreams about myself as a complete female and having a nice romantic night out. ^^. oof. The weird thing is, it's always a silhoutted person. hrm. Either way, it's annoying since it makes me want to get rid of "it" whenever i wake up.

I think it's a 80 conformity, 20 sexuality for me...okay, maybe 70 30... I guess what I really want to say is that if my sex drive goes completely kaput once I get into it, I will miss it, but it's not the important thing.

[Guest o0tg0o]

actually, lemme update... i think my sex drive got shot ever since i accepted myself. it's weird. i guess it could be because i'm more term with myself? I dunno.

At this rate, I still want to transition, maybe even more so, so I guess it's more conformity now. lol. X-D

[Guest Ryles_D]

Was my age got to do with it?

Hmm... definitely just gender for me. I don' tknow if I want a total GAS cuz it'd be really weird working out how that'd work. I mean, there's no set rules for what "no gender" looks like in humans. Mostly I just want the breasts off, the uterus out. I'd probably still go by female where I have to choose a gender just out of habit.

If I could get what I really want, and you can call me weird all you want for this and telling me it's impossible is fine- I don't expect it to happen, is to get the vaginal cannal or whatever thing closed and get rid of the nipples. They just bug me... they have no purpose but baby-feeding and I don't want a baby. Which is good because, y'know, without that organ it'll be a bit tricky.

I don't think I'll worry too much on what it does to my sex life. Unless it gives me a sex drive, then I'll be highly, highly annoyed. And freaked out.

[Guest Mr. Fox]

There is a surgery to close your girl thing, and the nipple removal should be easy. When you get the masectomy (is that spelled right?), they take off your nipples anyway. Just tell them to not put them back on.

[Guest Leah1026]

....and the nipple removal should be easy. When you get the mastectomy, they take off your nipples anyway. Just tell them to not put them back on.

Many FtM's elect to have chest reconstruction. Usually the nipples are reduced in size and repositioned because.......... well, men have nipples too. RDeis you have to consider that not having nipples will attract attention, so unless you plan to never take your shirt off you may want to rethink this. Talk to some other guys about their experiences.

[Guest Ryles_D]

Many FtM's elect to have chest reconstruction. Usually the nipples are reduced in size and repositioned because.......... well, men have nipples too. RDeis you have to consider that not having nipples will attract attention, so unless you plan to never take your shirt off you may want to rethink this. Talk to some other guys about their experiences.

I don't plan to. Not around people, anyways. Since I'm not a boy and I'm not going all the way, for simplicity's sake I'll probably just check off "female" where I have to choose a gender, and, well, that's not always a good idea. ^^; Besides, I hate it when people take off their shirts- don't want to give htem an example about why I shouldn't be one to talk.

[Guest Drew]

for me it's mostly body conformity maybe like 95% and only 5% sexual. i plan on having bottom surgery and it might make sex a little awkward when i'd have to explain why ''it'' looks weird. oh well, i'm not one for casual sex

[Guest savagedm]

Well, I don't really see why I'm too young to comment on this... we teenagers, especially transsexual teenagers, are usually ~very~ aware of sexuality and of orientation and other issues of the like. So I'm going to attempt to comment and hope that I'll be allowed to speak my mind...

Like I've said multiple times, I'm pansexual, and so my partner is unlikely to be a specific type. So on that note, it's not like I need a specific anatomy for a specific purpose... My genitalia are pretty irrelevant, at least to me.

I am already completely anorgasmic at the moment. Whether this is a result of faulty brain wiring or not, I don't know; all I know is that I'm incapable of orgasm of any kind. I can feel SOME pleasure, but not very much; without going into TOO much detail, it's not very fulfilling and often leaves me more sexually frustrated than I started out. So I'm very "stone", if I can use that term. More give, less take.

On that note, transitioning JUST for the sex would be a ludicrous idea.

So I guess I'd have to say I'd get the surgery purely for body conforming reasons. I'm not likely to be able to feel much of anything after it, unless techniques dramatically change... so it'd be stupid to do much else.

An interesting note, I learned in one of my health classes that most GG (regardless of orientation) cannot really reach a full blown orgasm till around the age of 18-20. I dont know how true this is seeing as I am not a GG But a little food for thought.

[Guest savagedm]

actually, lemme update... i think my sex drive got shot ever since i accepted myself. it's weird. i guess it could be because i'm more term with myself? I dunno.

At this rate, I still want to transition, maybe even more so, so I guess it's more conformity now. lol. X-D

Same here, I still think about sex a lot, but I dont desire it like I used to. When I check girls out now while hanging out with friends, instead of thinking how hot she is, I am watching every move she makes and the clothing she wears. I am studying her body language and trying to mimic it on my own time, or if the situation permits right then and there. One of the biggest problems for me because I have fairly muscular legs is sitting with my legs crossed for extended periods of time

But back to topic... It is about 80/20 for me I'd say

[Guest Mr. Fox]

Okay, I was sexually arroused when I posted here. It would be more like 70-30.

RDeis: Don't listen to others, get your nipples removed if you want. You're doing this for you, not to conform. Personally, I think the idea of having no nipples is kind of cool, even though I want to retain my own.

[Guest GoldenKirbichu]

An interesting note, I learned in one of my health classes that most GG (regardless of orientation) cannot really reach a full blown orgasm till around the age of 18-20. I dont know how true this is seeing as I am not a GG But a little food for thought.

Babies are capable of orgasm so I don't know where they got that one from... Males have dry orgasms until puberty though. (I am very biologically inclined.)

Even if I wasn't trans it would still be highly unusual for a XX-bodied person to be completely anorgasmic at sixteen. The fact that I've always been a very sexual person makes it even more unusual.

I don't know why it is and the issue has never really been explicitly addressed. I've brought it up before with my doctors but I never got much in the way of an answer...

[Guest savagedm]

Babies are capable of orgasm so I don't know where they got that one from... Males have dry orgasms until puberty though. (I am very biologically inclined.)

Even if I wasn't trans it would still be highly unusual for a XX-bodied person to be completely anorgasmic at sixteen. The fact that I've always been a very sexual person makes it even more unusual.

I don't know why it is and the issue has never really been explicitly addressed. I've brought it up before with my doctors but I never got much in the way of an answer...

Interesting, maybe the instructor meant full G spot stimulation? Kind of like the dry orgasm thing with boys? I am not a specialist in this, I deal more with human interactions, not biological functions haha.

[Guest Mr. Fox]

Boys can definately orgasm before adulthood, but I really think that many girls cannot. But obviously not all of them, i.e. my friend Chelsea (number of people she's had sex with: three digit number. All that, and no orgasm? I hope not!)

[Guest GoldenKirbichu]

Interesting, maybe the instructor meant full G spot stimulation? Kind of like the dry orgasm thing with boys? I am not a specialist in this, I deal more with human interactions, not biological functions haha.

Possibly, but most orgasms are clitoral nerve-centered in nature anyway...

Either way.

[Guest Kylie]

Well, I'm certainly not able to pull a ratio here for you, but it isn't fully conformity that I desire, although it is almost completely conformity that pushes me along. I mean, sex is a part of me, so why wouldn't it also be a motivating factor? But it isn't the main factor, by far, cause that would be stupid. Heck, when thinking about it, sex is usually the last thing to come up. So like... hmm, 90/10... 95/5 even? Bleh, I don't know, but the sex side of things is pretty far down the line for me. I'm more worried about my voice and looks right now, especially voice when it comes to online games, since more and more are bringing in voice chat standard, and I still have a guys voice Makes me sad that I could be voice chatting with clan mates or random people or whatever but really can't because of my voice.

[Guest JAB]

Dont think theres a cut and dry answer that matches all of us.. I know for the longest time I was closed to thte option of genetic genital useage.. and for me this mainly was due to the belief it made me less masculine much in the same way society sees homosexual males as being less the masculine..that changed though with time and confidence that came with transition.. although It never came up much because I identify as homosexual and most of my sexual interaction has been with guys who identify the same way.

I can honestly say for me I do not have any desire for bottom surgery.. I never had a desire pre paralysis either.. I have accepted the fact that that todays technology (at this time) is really lacking for ftm's and that its not worth the risk... and even if/when things changed to improve the pocedures I still wouldnt want it...sure it could be nice in many ways.. I guess it boils down to the fact I have enough battles to fight with medical issues and that one is one that just doesnt bother me enough to be worth fighting. physically or emotionally.. I do not personally find enjoyment in using the genetic genitals but I will say that if it were something that came up with a partner and we both came to a level of trust and an a mutual understanding about what was expected to to be achieved by the experience then I could and would do so and feel no shame what so ever.

Top surgery whole different story.. I am non op due to medical problems that make it impossible..at least in the eyes of my previous medical care providers.. this has cause me a great deal of stress and likely will till the day i die.. but for me I try to look back of where i was at with this 10 years ago.. and I realize if things would have went any different then they did i could have very easily not been allowed to transition at all..It helps to put things into perspective for me..it could be worse..

I guess ive just accepted I can never be achieve the physical normalcy that biological guys have...and though some of it still stings a lot I am just glad I got to go this far with transition.

with that said srs for me would be strictly to conform my body to match the sex that was determined in my brain prior to birth.

[Guest Jeanie]

I'm not thinking of SRS, but if I ever were to think about it, it would more likely to be

60 Body Comformity, and 40 for sex drive.

About the age restriction on this, Alot of minors do act as maturely as an adult, or maybe even have the brain capable to live as an adult. Whether there 12 13 14 15 16 17, My mate, who is 12, she does have her immature moments and has an eating disorder, but her emotions the way she feels for love, is quite suprising for her age as at that age for most people are like "yo your fit be my bf/gf" they don't actually get to know the person. As my mate does, she treats love like she really knows what it is and how to treat it. Thats the only reason why I have a friend thats 12 and proberly will be the only one aswell.

So the point is, under 18's can be years older inside.

Although this topic could be 18's or over because at 18 you have finished puberty for most people so you'll be able to answer this question as your sex drive and stuff has just paused in that spot and you are most likely to stay where you are. My answer to that is, people finish earlier, yet some finish later.