New Transman In The Celebrity World?

[Guest Robin Winter]

According to inTouch (a weekly celebrity gossip magazine), Brad and Angelinas daughter Shiloh (hehe) is quite the tomboy. Or is she? Brad is quoted..."She only likes to be called John or Peter". Angelina says that she "is just like me". Are you sure about that Angelina?

They have several pictures of her and her big brother Maddox wearing outfits that are very similar. Maybe it's just sibling worship, but asking to be called John or Peter? (apparently she's a huge peter pan fan, but still....)

Time will tell

[Guest CharlieRose]

I did a quick google search and found this picture of her: http://13.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqfykje5...zoaqio1_500.jpg (First of all, it's very cute!)

Little things like that certainly do make her seem more masculine. Even if she is a huge peter pan fan, the fact that she's identifying with Peter rather than Cinderella or some other princess is something to be noted as well. Keep in mind, though, she's like three years old (I don't know how old exactly). Kids that age don't completely understand gender. For example, they think that it can easily be changed in a person, and they think that femininity and femaleness are the same thing. (ie. they don't think a boy in a dress can exist. If a person is wearing a dress, *they are* a girl!) It's not until older they usually manage to sort everything out. Gender atypical behavior makes it more likely children will be either transgendered in some way or homosexual. (though it is still possible she'll be straight and cisgendered and is just independent and unique now) I agree, only time will tell. (But, apparently Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are very big gay rights supporters, so whatever she is, at least she'll have a supporting environment.)

[Guest Robin Winter]

I did a quick google search and found this picture of her: http://13.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqfykje5...zoaqio1_500.jpg (First of all, it's very cute!)

Little things like that certainly do make her seem more masculine. Even if she is a huge peter pan fan, the fact that she's identifying with Peter rather than Cinderella or some other princess is something to be noted as well. Keep in mind, though, she's like three years old (I don't know how old exactly). Kids that age don't completely understand gender. For example, they think that it can easily be changed in a person, and they think that femininity and femaleness are the same thing. (ie. they don't think a boy in a dress can exist. If a person is wearing a dress, *they are* a girl!) It's not until older they usually manage to sort everything out. Gender atypical behavior makes it more likely children will be either transgendered in some way or homosexual. (though it is still possible she'll be straight and cisgendered and is just independent and unique now) I agree, only time will tell. (But, apparently Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are very big gay rights supporters, so whatever she is, at least she'll have a supporting environment.)

That's good to know.

[Guest Pól]

(But, apparently Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are very big gay rights supporters, so whatever she is, at least she'll have a supporting environment.)

I'd hope so, but those two things don't always come together like. I mean, there are gay people who are very transphobic.

I dunno if you can really know anything definitively about the child at that age, but I'd imagine they'd be keeping an eye on it to see if her cross-identification persists.

[Guest Robin Winter]

I'd hope so, but those two things don't always come together like. I mean, there are gay people who are very transphobic.

I dunno if you can really know anything definitively about the child at that age, but I'd imagine they'd be keeping an eye on it to see if her cross-identification persists.

Definitively, no, but it's quite common for transpeople to know from that age, and wanting to be called a name common to the opposite sex is one of the first obvious signs. I just thought it was interesting, that's all

[Guest sarah f]

Not to wish anyone to go through what I have been through but maybe the kid will grow up to be a trans. Just imagine the exposure that would have for the trans community. Just a thought but it might take some celebrity or their kids to come out to make people start to understand what we go through everyday.

Love,

Sarah F

[Guest i is Sam :-)]

Dut do you think it might have the effect of making FtM seem more acceptable to but not MtF the same as how lesbins on TV are hot, but gays are still mostly considered icky

[Guest My_Genesis]

Dut do you think it might have the effect of making FtM seem more acceptable to but not MtF the same as how lesbins on TV are hot, but gays are still mostly considered icky

If I'm understanding the question correctly, I feel that in proportion to the overall level of acceptance for people who are trans as opposed to just the gay community, that is already kind of happening. :-/ Think about it...

I'm not trying to offend or anything, though I am known to be brutally honest.

[Guest Ryles_D]

Dut do you think it might have the effect of making FtM seem more acceptable to but not MtF the same as how lesbins on TV are hot, but gays are still mostly considered icky

I agree. I've seen a lot more transwomenphobia than transmenphobia. While any visibility is good- I think it'd be better to hve more positive MtFs. I've seen a few examples of transguys on TV and such, and mostly it's positive or at least respectful. Transwomen are still "My darling wife was once a he"- via guy in a dress with a five-o-clock shadow and beer belly.

[Guest i is Sam :-)]

I think the whole drag queen thing doesn't help either. You tend tend to see women dress up as men either recreationally or for the purposes of entertainment. And while I respect it as a perfectly valid art form, I really don't think people that intentially draw massive attention in an attempt to get "shock value" and are effectively capitalising on people's non acceptance of changing gender roles, help those of us who just want to blend in and be treated like any other person of their adopted gender.

[Guest ChloëC]

"Not to wish anyone to go through what I have been through but maybe the kid will grow up to be a trans. Just imagine the exposure that would have for the trans community. Just a thought but it might take some celebrity or their kids to come out to make people start to understand what we go through everyday"

Sarah, you might want to check out Chaz Bono (formerly Chastity Bono) who is reported to be starting transitioning after having been a confirmed lesbian for some time. Being the child of a celebrity couple (with one sadly having passed away) is not necessarily a way to understanding as Chaz has been under the spotlight ever since the poor child was about 2 and dragged out on stage on the various TV shows and I'm not sure if the general public has really thought about it or if many minds have changed because of his transitioning.

Now if we could get Chaz to join Laura's Playground, that might help some as a lot more people might start looking into the whole transgender area and find some very positive things here. But, I suppose we should be careful what we wish for.

Hugs

Chloë

[Guest Pól]

Now if we could get Chaz to join Laura's Playground, that might help some as a lot more people might start looking into the whole transgender area and find some very positive things here. But, I suppose we should be careful what we wish for.

Maybe he's already here...who knows?

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[Guest My_Genesis]

Maybe he's already here...who knows?

*cue Twilight Zone music*

You make it sound like Chaz is a total creeper