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...so I'll just jump right in and spill my guts.

I declare that I'm not MTF, I'm autogynephilic. I'm 40 and for many reasons I have no desire or intent to transition. I wish to retain a male role and male sexual function. However, for various reasons I won't attempt to detail or justify, I'd like to grow breasts. More specifically, I'd like a little breast tissue growth and increase in size and sensation of the areola and nipple. "A" cup would be fine with me.

You might be saying, well this dude is a fetishist and not transgendered. Maybe you're right, maybe it's not as black and white as that. People modify their bodies in lots of ways for lots of reasons. I don't care what you think about my motives, so please don't judge or lecture me. I just want to gather anecdotal experience.

Now, to get down to business...

The consensus is that the herbal products are unsafe and ineffective. That option is off the table.

Some folks in the autogynephilia forum suggested implants. I speculate that implants might be too obvious and I also presume (correct me if I am wrong) they would not enhance sensation in the way I think I'd like - they might provide the "fullness" of tissue, but not increased sensation.

So that leaves HRT. I know nobody here is a doctor. But, what I am thinking is, perhaps seeking a therapist to discuss a limited period (say 6 to 9 months) of medically supervised HRT, estrogen possibly WITHOUT spironolactone as suggested by Anne Lawrence on her FAQ page.

I understand that natural breast tissue does not develop overnight with HRT and I won't get Tanner V g-cup knockers by popping a couple pills.

I also know that while I can order Vivelle Dot patches from Mexico at obscene prices - yes I can afford it - unsupervised treatment is a fools errand.

I also understand that breast growth is a permanent consequence of HRT; fat will redistribute, but a mastectomy would be necessary to get rid of unwanted breast tissue.

I also know that HRT carries certain risks from side effects such as blood clots, etc.

I do understand that male sexual function will be affected to some degree - maybe more, maybe less - by HRT for the duration of the therapy. Perhaps without spironolactone this effect would be mitigated. Further it has been suggested that normal male sexual function is likely to be recovered upon cessation of HRT prior to 1 year.

I know, these are ultimately questions for a physician. But if this is something that I decide I'm serious about, these are all risks I'd have to consider. Maybe it would be worth the trade off, a period of low function for something that I've always craved. Maybe it won't be so bad as I might expect. Maybe it will be worse. Maybe I'll get a stroke and die. And maybe, I'll like HRT and want to stay on it. Who knows.

So what I'd like to know is, whether for reasons similar to mine or not...

Has anyone else here done this?

More specifically, has anyone done 6-9 months of HRT and stopped for whatever reason?

Has anyone here done HRT with estrogen but without spironolactone?

If modest breast growth was your goal, were you satisfied with the results?

At what point do folks find that breast growth begins? 1 month? 3?

If you had other goals - and I know everyone's different - where did you wind up on the Tanner scale?

At what point with HRT did you notice a significant decline in male sexual function?

Did you recover normal male sexual function after cessation of HRT?

How well is areolar and nipple sensation retained after cessation of HRT?

Thank you all so much for your thoughts and opinions.

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  • Admin

Since you are not interested in being lectured, I won't

I've been on this site for nearly a year, and do not recal ever seeing a member post anything in regards to starting

HRT for the sole purpose of growing breasts. You may get some responses, but I will be surprised.

What I can tell you is that most people who begin HRT do not see significant breast development until more than a year

on hormones. What you will gain from 6-9 months will likely be minimal.

I suppose it is possible to find a therapist willing to recommend short duration HRT to meet your needs, but that

seems doubtful as well.

Sorry I could not offer more.

Carolyn Marie

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Guest Donna Jean
...so I'll just jump right in and spill my guts.

So what I'd like to know is, whether for reasons similar to mine or not...

Has anyone else here done this?

Thank you all so much for your thoughts and opinions.

Very interesting....

And I won't lecture you either...

You seem to know pretty much what you want and have done reascearch...

So, I'll answer what I can....

At what point do folks find that breast growth begins? 1 month? 3?

That is a variable factor....some notice some small growth first month...some not much for 3 or more months...we all hope for more!

More specifically, has anyone done 6-9 months of HRT and stopped for whatever reason?

I've been on 14 months and have no intention of stopping at any point. Not much good on this one...

Has anyone here done HRT with estrogen but without spironolactone?

Not me...but, kinda useless...kind of like pushing a car form both ends...

The "E" can't work as long as the "T" is pushing which would require dangerous amounts of "E" to get any results at all...(if any)

If modest breast growth was your goal, were you satisfied with the results?

In 14 months I've grown to an "A" cup...that is modest..

But I really am not looking for more than a "B" when I end my growing cycle...

At what point with HRT did you notice a significant decline in male sexual function?

Nothing worked much after 6-9 months.....Some say that they retain the abillity for an errection, but, most don't....

How well is areolar and nipple sensation retained after cessation of HRT?

HRT is the only way to get the sensation...Implants will do nothing for that...

Mine are very sensitive and I enjoy that...

Did you recover normal male sexual function after cessation of HRT?

Oh God! I hope that I never have to find that out!

Dear...I know that I'm not a lot of help here on your questions...I answered honestly, but most here have very different goals than you!

I hope that you find what you need to do!

HUGGS!

Donna Jean

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Guest Jo-I-Dunno

e319, I used to feel the same way. Early on in my gender problems, I just wanted to be a man with secret breasts I could enjoy on my own. But I always brag about my timetable. That was 5+ years ago when I was 10-13. Now I'm 18 and on HRT (1 1/2 days!). I've since realized I should at least try a full transition; but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if I stopped somewhere in the middle.

From what I've gathered over the years, estrogen won't do much when you have testosterone too. It's "dominant" somehow.

Be extremely careful. I've heard of infertility as early as 6 months. I mean, I've only been on HRT for a little over a day and, well, erections are just as easy but orgasms are already way more difficult.

Early on in puberty, I started to develop the little lumps under my nipples. They've been sensitive ever since. This is without HRT, just the little hormonal imbalance at the beginning of puberty. But human breasts come in all varieties and no general rule can be made about any of this.

The thing is, if someone was on HRT for any extended period of time but decided to stop, why would they keep spending time on transgender forums?

You'll have an extremely difficult time finding anyone to prescribe hormones for your situation. At the same time, the place I went to didn't ask many questions. I met with one of their therapists once. They just wanted to make sure I was informed and sane. That's all it took.

I think the world is getting a little more accepting of these types of things. Every once and a while, I read a pamphlet or medical guideline that says something along the lines of "Some people feel better with HRT alone and don't need to change their gender roles."

Go for the gold but don't jeopardize your health.

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Guest Girl Emily

e319,

You are obviously well read and know what you want. I don't believe you will get the growth that you are looking for with only 6-9 months. From what I understand is that you male equipment will return to full function if you stop at 6 months to be safe. Maybe after six months you could start again and experience more growth with a six month safe period. I am no doctor just well read. I suggest you goto this site for info www.transgendercare.com. If you do get the hormones online goto your doctor so he can run the blood work and monitor your health.

Be safe,

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It probably depends on where you live, but I've read it's inconsistently possible to order prescription drugs from countries where they aren't necessarily prescriptions. If you're not doing anything illegal, most doctors would probably be more than happy to help you monitor your blood and vitals even if they're not prescribing. Just stay safe, whatever you do.

Oh, and if you live anywhere near Chicago, I suggest the Howard Brown Health Center. That's the place I talked about earlier that didn't ask many questions.

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It probably depends on where you live, but I've read it's inconsistently possible to order prescription drugs from countries where they aren't necessarily prescriptions. If you're not doing anything illegal, most doctors would probably be more than happy to help you monitor your blood and vitals even if they're not prescribing. Just stay safe, whatever you do.

*sigh*

We really do not condone "self medicating" here at all...

But, just let me say one thing....

If you ARE doing it, PLEASE have a doctor monitor your levels...your liver could go south on you and you'd REALLY be up the creek....OK?

Donna Jean

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Guest IGotThatGoodGood

'''Has anyone here done HRT with estrogen but without spironolactone?'''

I started on just E and the E totally kicked T's butt and won. I didn't get on Spiro for months after. I didn't have much T though to begin with so I guess it depends on the person.

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Guest Nibel

Hello my friend, I know about how you are feeling because I've been there before. I've thought about growing breasts alone before, mostly for sexual purposes. I did an extensive research and found all kinds of information, and developed a plan that I've never put in action. What happened is that I found out that the sexual desire was secondary to my real purpose and actually I really intended was to be a full fledged woman. What made me discover that was the HRT itself: once you are on hormones some stuff gets more clear than before.

But then I have a wife, and I know that she won't be able to live with another woman in the full sense, so I had to make a giving to save my marriage, and that means find a balance where I can still (partially) be her man. So, in the end I decided to go on a low dose HRT with both E and spiro. The spiro makes sure that the little E that enters the body get used and is not wasted.

My original plan was to do a regular dose HRT for a period enough to get some growth and stop for 1 month or maybe 2 to let the male parts heal before another round of HRT. Since the effects of E tends to be permanent on body fat the breast would probably shrink just a little in between rounds.

Now my actual plan is based on low dose E and spiro continuously. Probably the above scheme would be better in your case, since the continuous HRT won't give time to heal and progressively the male parts will stop working, but the process will be slower. I choose that way to give me and my wife a time to adapt to the new life. Probably I still will do some breaks from time to time to let something heal depending on her needs.

I just want to warn you that you should have a doctor assist you. Not because they will find you a perfect hormone regimen, because they won't. Probably you know a lot more about that than any doctor. But you should have a medical assistance because there is drug interactions and risks that only a medic would be able to manage, like keeping your blood clotting in the right levels.

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Sorry for the lapse in communication.

I wanted to take a moment to thank people for their thoughtful replies.

I also feel the need to comment on what brought on my original posting. At the time I posted I had just come out with my gender issues to current GG GF of 1 year, after being in a relationship of not quite 20 years where these things were taboo. Current GF is supportive. She even has the attitude like "cool we can do both boyfriend AND girlfriend things together". With her support I have begun to take some baby steps such as acquiring some clothes, etc. Maybe it's too good to be true? Who knows, but I feel she is sincere. Regardless, this has opened a mental floodgate where I began to consider a lot of things that I had kept buried like so many other folks.

I think HRT is something that's off the table for me for now until I can sort out issues such as where I might sit with regard to my own motivation which boils down to: am I TV or TS? Or is this just a "phase?" I don't know. We're all unique and come at this from all different angles. But, I am thinking that HRT is probably a little premature, when I just ordered a first pair of Spanx on ebay this week... I do know that HRT will still be there if I decide that's where I want to go in the future. I also know that the prospect of CD'ing is fun and exciting, and is something I can enjoy that right now with my supportive GF without making big, permanent, life-altering changes.

But yeah, I still want real boobs. Maybe someday. :)

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I do know that HRT will still be there if I decide that's where I want to go in the future. I also know that the prospect of CD'ing is fun and exciting, and is something I can enjoy that right now with my supportive GF without making big, permanent, life-altering changes.

But yeah, I still want real boobs. Maybe someday. :)

Great attitude, Honey....

Shows a great thought process....

HRT is life/body changing and isn't to be taken lightly...

At a point many things can't be reversed...

Good thinking on your part, Hon...yes, they'll still be there!

Huggs

Donna Jean

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