Is It Possible For A Transitioning Mtf To Pass As Male?

[Guest Janessa]

Hiya, I was just wondering if it would be possible for me to continue passing as male after I've been on estrogen for a while. Probably sounds odd for an mtf to want this... However, I really want to start estrogen so my body can change, but I don't think I'm ready to try and pass as a woman quite yet. =| I mostly only really want to do this to avoid being denied jobs and harassment, not to mention I'm nowhere close to obtaining my female voice. >>

[Guest Donna Jean]

Well, Honey.....

Both Elizabeth K and I have to work as male and we've been on HRT 15 and 18 months...

It's most certainly a doable thing and it's said that you could pass as male at work just as long as you need to...I know one Transwoman that is already past SRS and presents male at work...

I don't like doing it and I hope to come out soon...

But, sure...it can be done!

Huggs

Donna Jean

[Paula ult]

Janessa hon,

There are a number of people i know that dress and work as male during the day and 100% female after work and on weekends, some from Laura's that i am sure will have more to say on the subject, after about 6 months on hormones people you see all the time may notice something different about you but do not know what, i was asked if i got a haircut, lost weight or got a new shirt, it took me awhile to put two and two together and that they were seeing changes. People that have not seen you in months will definitely see the changes.

I waited about as long as i dared before coming out, about 14 months, when i started getting ma'am'd all the time i knew it was time to come out, unfortunately a gabby friend found out about me and to do damage control i started coming out a few weeks sooner than i wanted, but it turned out ok. I could have continued as i was but my plan called for me coming out at a certain date.

Paula

[Guest ~Brenda~]

Janessa hon

If you need to pass as male while on HRT you can for a very long time

You have nothing to fear hon.

HRT is not something like... poof... instant female (would be nice though )

Transitioning is just that... transitioning. Always keep in mind that you always have control as to the rate of your transitioning!!

Transitioning is always under your control. Transitioning does not control you.

You can do what ever you feel comfortable with.. OK?

Love

Brenda

[Guest Janessa]

So like, would people that I've never met just think I'm one of those boys that look like a girl? And do breasts, hips, and other things changed by hormones give away that I'm transitioning? Sorry for the questions, just not sure of the effects of hormones and how I'll pull off passing as a male yet. XD (assuming I might have to buy a binder if my breasts get large enough, which will be no fun) >.<

[Guest NatashaJade]

Hey Janessa,

I've been on hrt for almost 6 months now and while I can see the changes and my wife can, I've been around close friends recently and all they have had to say was that I looked like I had lost some weight (which I have). This is on top of now five laser treatments and my ever disappearing beard. My GT and I discussed this last weekend and laughed that people are so wrapped up in themselves that they really don't notice anything that is going on with you unless you make an effort for them to notice. And even if they notice little things, they probably won't say anything unless they are real busybodies.

I wouldn't worry too much about it...do what you have to do and what feels right.

luv

Gin

[Guest Jean Davis]

Hey honey

I wouldn't worry about it, the changes will happen so slowly the people you work with will probably never notice.

If they do you can always make up some excuse that they will believe like the brest developement is a side effect to a hair loss drug or something like that.

But don't let Evan see this

(assuming I might have to buy a binder if my breasts get large enough, which will be no fun)

He'll give you the "What For" if he sees a MtF wanting to use a binder.

LUV

Jean

[Guest Janessa]

Hey honey

I wouldn't worry about it, the changes will happen so slowly the people you work with will probably never notice.

If they do you can always make up some excuse that they will believe like the brest developement is a side effect to a hair loss drug or something like that.

But don't let Evan see this

(assuming I might have to buy a binder if my breasts get large enough, which will be no fun)

He'll give you the "What For" if he sees a MtF wanting to use a binder.

LUV

Jean

*hears the jaws theme song and realizes Evan is approaching* D: Just kidding. Though I guess it is a bit unusual for an mtf to use a binder... XD (binders sound painful though) >.<

[Guest NatashaJade]

*hears the jaws theme song and realizes Evan is approaching* D: Just kidding. Though I guess it is a bit unusual for an mtf to use a binder... XD (binders sound painful though) >.<

I actually bought a swim top with a binder. I want to swim with my kids at their grandparents this summer without my now b-cup girls outing me before I'm ready.

(Sorry, Evan?)

luv

Gin

[Guest Janessa]

I guess if they can hide a B cup they can probably hide whatever mine will be. o.o (binders are re-usable right? *doesn't know much about binders*) XD

[Guest NatashaJade]

I guess if they can hide a B cup they can probably hide whatever mine will be. o.o (binders are re-usable right? *doesn't know much about binders*) XD

It is a VERY tight fitting garment (and yes, reuseable).

[Guest doodle]

Hi I have been doing this for 2 years. It depends on how you dress at work. I have to wear suits. You can cover up a lot with a suit. I'm out at my job now last summer someone found out from another transwomen and outed me. I have been on hormones for over two years. I'm a C cup now I can still partially cover with a three button suit while wearing a sports bra. I have to keep it buttoned No two buttons anymore. My elctro and laser is done. Most of my co workers really don't say anything. as long as you act normal. They may think you have turned gay. Once they find out the truth trouble will start, my My boss is supportive and shut down all the problems most trans folks aren't that lucky .

As far as binders go . everyone gets them from a online place called underworks. I'm pretty sure thats the place you wouldn't need one for some time. Binders should only be used on rare occasions because the can damage you breasts. If you ever get one the way to get it on is to step into it and slowly pull it up over your chest.

Kelly

[Guest Janessa]

Doubt I'll use them if they can damage my breasts. Causelike I've been without breasts long enough. D: (although I might have to if I wanna go swimming huh? >>)

[Cyndee]

To answer this question, yes.

I do it, because life circumstances still demand that "he" be there. In my case I can't just throw the switch and be full time. I would love it someday, and have long term goals, but still I have to make appearances for my family as "him" in the community, I care about them a lot, and they are very tolerant with me, so it's give and take to make it work. I still perform onstage as "him" in bands, although I don't hide my girl from band mates very well and they joke with me all the time about her. As I post this I am at 6+ months on HRT and it has really helped with my dysphoria. I find new ways to get girl time in with my friends and really enjoy going out in the world as Cindy, I am still learning and practicing being a better woman, this is so enjoyable, and it's hard to put this into words. I exercise just about everyday, and just love the changes that are occuring. I do need to de-emphasize my upper torso (loose pattern shirts) when in male mode, and I wear a body suit (leotard) underneth to smooth things out (down girls ).

Cindy -

[Guest Karen K]

Jenessa darling,

I have been on HRT for 16 months now and still present as male at church, job interviews (I'm unemployed) and around my ex-wife (she knows) and her parents (they don't). I have yet to have a problem.

That being said, I do have to wear something under my guy shirts as the material is somewhat irritating to my nips. And while their size is smallish ~A-cup they are getting to a point where they are noticable, even under loose shirts. We will see what the future has in store for me.

Laura Jane

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Hi everyone. This is an old post and may not have a response from people addressed. There is nothing wrong with calling up the older topics, just understand the people on Laura's Playground do tend to come and go.

To answer the originl thread? Yes - I went from 10 December 2008 until 20 October 2010 on HRT but working in male mode. But remember YMMV. Incidently I had rather quick results of fiminization of the face and breasts, so even with that know you CAN stay 'male' for a while.

Lizzie

[Cyndee]

I love digging up old posts Lizzie, there are some real gems back there.

C -

[Guest Szenzie]

This is a great one to bring up - bumping it definitely helped me. People see what they want to This concept will continue to be my friend as I try to build my career in order to pay for my expenses. Being a transsexual is expensive >.< Thanks for sharing!

[Guest EvenClose]

Ive been on hrt for 10 months..I usually get called a gay man. Why? Cause I look femmy. You can hide it though. Its not that hard. I go full time in 2 days, but I still hide it. I pass. Thats whats the oddest thing for me. A change of clothing style and I get called a man, change again and noone thinks a thing other than lady. So yeah..You can do it. Its no big thing.

[Guest auxo]

The voice is one of the most powerful cues of your gender. As are your hair and breasts. Especially so when your face is androgynous because people automatically search for other sexual cues when they are confused. From my experience if you keep your hair short, bind and use your male voice, most people will think of you as a male -- possibly an effeminate male, but still male -- without second thoughts. I've been on hrt for 13 months, and my facial features have soften considerably to the point that i get confused stares in public even with my hair short and male attire. But whenever I start talking using my 'male' voice, everyone treats me as male. ;/

[Sally]

Basically people see what you present to them, you dress as a male and act as a male then you are seen as a male.

The good news is that this works both ways, people see what you present to them, I am over feet tall and overweight but I am accepted as female.

Love ya,

Sally

[JJ]

People who are used to seeing someone as one gender have difficulty changing that view even with vast physical changes so less dramatic ones often go unnoticed or just puzzle people who aren't sure exactly what has changed. Gender is usually the last thing on their radar.

It's those who are meeting is for the first time who most often see the real gender but if there are conflicting clues I think they default to the most obvious-a beard, a bald head-anything like that because most don't even realize that trans people walk among them or that we can change those things

There was a bagger at the grocery store in the city the other day with a male haircut and obviously not wearing their dentures which made the face very ambiguous. The loose fitting shirt and skinny arms didn't give any clues and I had pretty much decided male when she turned her body and the fold in the shirt no longer hid the name tad. "Rhonda" Oh? Okay. No problem. I had made the assessment of male based on the haircut and lack of teeth-women seldom appear in public without teeth but for all I know she was in recovery from dental work or something. But I thought about it a bit. Why I saw her as male and the fact that no one around her reacted to her ambiguous appearance, nor did she seem self conscious about it. If she had I think I would have had more questions. As it was I took her assurance that she was really alright as she was from her body language, smiled and went my way. Just like everyone else in that long line had done before me.

Yes, i think im many cases you can pull it off. With a few obvious clues and some attitude.

Johnny