Alright, So What Exactly Is A Hetero Androgyne?

[Guest kelise]

I totally agree with you guys about schools and the importance of things like english and spelling and proper grammer, but you have to cut a little slack for texting. U can only fit so mny chrcters in a txt msg and sometimes hv 2 drp a vwl r 2. But I agree tlkng lik ths wen u dnt hv 2 mks u snd a ltl stpd.

[Guest Alder]

oh for actual phone texts, I handle it nicely. It's when you're speaking in a forum, or even just a regular chat format you do not need to act like an uneducated stenographer. Or, just miss spell words with the same amount of letters. I had a girl the other day tell me to "juss shut up" (after telling my lil bro I luv'd him(cuz luvs different then love mind you -wink-) and made a second post to correct an actual typo instead of an intended one.

I asked her who Juss was.. she say me, and I corrected her that I wasn't Juss, I was Alder and she need not be rude to a stranger. She insulted me more in horrible grammar and spelling so I told her to repeat the third grade because obviously she missed a few things. (then ended up apologizing to my 'lil bro for being a pretentious donkey on his thing)

But seriously, I rely heavily on spell checker but only for larger words and basic typos. If I don't know how to spell something I'll look it up, or play around with the word until spell check says it's a-okay. I'll admit to using 'lolz cat grammar' from time to time but not when I'm actually trying to communicate a point, I'm also fond of "actions" and "faces" but I like to convey all of me when speaking and text is very limited ^.^ I'd rather type -chuckles- then LoL.

[Guest Chrysee]

I totally agree with you guys about schools and the importance of things like english and spelling and proper grammer, but you have to cut a little slack for texting. U can only fit so mny chrcters in a txt msg and sometimes hv 2 drp a vwl r 2.

You'll recall the story of the six high school seniors killed in a car wreck? A nanosecond before the wreck, she sent a text.

But I agree tlkng lik ths wen u dnt hv 2 mks u snd a ltl stpd.

Yes it does. . .and lazy.

Think of how confusing these times have become. Imagine yourself in a tearful conversation with someone about their transgender issue, and you're both texting.So much time has been spent by great minds trying to refine the language to make it possible to communicate complex issues. As well, the role language has played in philosophy and religion.

Not to wax too religious (save for another thread,) but know that every early form of expression was a form of worship. Poetry was applied to praise. Dance conjured up in the rhythm of the universe , altered states leaving the mind open to receive new info, in the process bringing the dancer closer to the Source. Painting & sculpture: think of the magnificent renderings of mythological characters as well as historic personages and events out of the sacred texts. Architecture and design: Early middle eastern cities were often laid out in such a way as to mirror the layout of Heaven as holy men perceived it. Joseph Campbell wrote about this extensively.

I recall how blown away I was, as a kid, when the minister explained that frightened Christians, trying to continue to worship and not get caught by the Romans, did so under over turned boats. This is why the insides of churches --the parts where the services are held--are called the nave. (Nave/Navy. Get it?)

Here Endeth the Lesson!

Chrysalis

[Guest Chrysee]

oh for actual phone texts, I handle it nicely. It's when you're speaking in a forum, or even just a regular chat format you do not need to act like an uneducated stenographer. Or, just miss spell words with the same amount of letters. I had a girl the other day tell me to "juss shut up" (after telling my lil bro I luv'd him(cuz luvs different then love mind you -wink-) and made a second post to correct an actual typo instead of an intended one.

I asked her who Juss was.. she say me, and I corrected her that I wasn't Juss, I was Alder and she need not be rude to a stranger. She insulted me more in horrible grammar and spelling so I told her to repeat the third grade because obviously she missed a few things. (then ended up apologizing to my 'lil bro for being a pretentious donkey on his thing)

But seriously, I rely heavily on spell checker but only for larger words and basic typos. If I don't know how to spell something I'll look it up, or play around with the word until spell check says it's a-okay. I'll admit to using 'lolz cat grammar' from time to time but not when I'm actually trying to communicate a point, I'm also fond of "actions" and "faces" but I like to convey all of me when speaking and text is very limited ^.^ I'd rather type -chuckles- then LoL.

I just wrote a gigantic post and it vanished. I was told that the problem amounted to my not being signed in. Well that was not true, as it was the last of several posts that I'd written since signing in, and I never signed out.

Sigh!

[Guest Alder]

I just wrote a gigantic post and it vanished. I was told that the problem amounted to my not being signed in. Well that was not true, as it was the last of several posts that I'd written since signing in, and I never signed out.

Sigh!

oooh, I so hate when that happens. It's never with the short ones either, just the ones that are agonizing to retype!

[Guest symempathy]

anyway,

It is important to some degree(at least to me) to know things of 'what sexuality are you' because, things do come up in conversation. And sometimes you have to just simplify it for the masses. And other times for places like this it's easier to express you're more complex version.

For the masses I'm simply hetro leaning towards bi-sexual, as I'm far more attracted to men. But I'm more inclined to consider myself a gay male...

It's interesting that you say knowing our sexuality is important. Indeed it is to me. I don't know if my femininity (not effeminate) plays a role in my attraction. I'm only attracted to men, especially men whose body is slightly muscular. That's the look, isn't it? Nevertheless, those men also are soft and gentle, not jock-like. It's strange because the men I'm strongly attracted to have similar personality like mine. People say opposite attracts, right? For me, it's the opposite; a person who has male body+face AND feminine type characters is attractive to me. However, I'm not attracted to flamboyant or effeminate men. There is nothing wrong with them; I simply don't find them attractive.

Apparently I can't say I'm gay because although I'm satisfied with my body, I want a vagina. Besides the type of person I like is not like what most gay men are attracted to.

Well, I think I will have a headache if I have to explain to other people what I'm explaining to you, but I'm sure who I'm attracted to.

Minh

[Guest Alder]

It's interesting that you say knowing our sexuality is important. Indeed it is to me. I don't know if my femininity (not effeminate) plays a role in my attraction. I'm only attracted to men, especially men whose body is slightly muscular. That's the look, isn't it? Nevertheless, those men also are soft and gentle, not jock-like. It's strange because the men I'm strongly attracted to have similar personality like mine. People say opposite attracts, right? For me, it's the opposite; a person who has male body+face AND feminine type characters is attractive to me. However, I'm not attracted to flamboyant or effeminate men. There is nothing wrong with them; I simply don't find them attractive.

Apparently I can't say I'm gay because although I'm satisfied with my body, I want a vagina. Besides the type of person I like is not like what most gay men are attracted to.

Well, I think I will have a headache if I have to explain to other people what I'm explaining to you, but I'm sure who I'm attracted to.

Minh

-nodnod- I can't say I can argue with a single word of that ^^ aside the vagina... I could live without mine very happily without. It's good to know what you like, even if you can't in any manner of words express it outloud. I certainly can't explain what I like in someone, it's to complicated.

[Guest Micha]

I love this! I wish I had thought of this a while back in this thread I wrote about transgenderism/androgynism/intersexualism and sexuality. I don't even remember what it was called or really about, but I remember the conclusion most people had was that we in this community don't take to labels well and don't fit in boxes. I didn't really buy that, but could never express why. You did it right there. Vocabulary. I LIKE my labels. I don't look at them as confining, because I can shed them anytime I want. (remember, I used to be labeled straight male.) I see my labels as something I earned. It's not a lack of confidence, realy, but it's important to me that people know and recognize what I am even if they don't understand it. "Woman", "Transsexual", "Lesbian". These are my coats-of-arms. I use them as vocabulary to describe myself and my feelings. If I spend time explaining to someone that I am a transsexual woman, and tell them I like girls, and they say, "Oh, so you're straight", I want to beat my head against the wall. Because it means everything I just explained hit just that, a wall.

That's right, it's not a box, there are no boxes, just self imposed limitations. The only confinement is placed on the individual by the individual, not by labels or definitions. People change with time, like the world around them, flowing in time, like water. Nothing is permanent.

Apparently I can't say I'm gay because although I'm satisfied with my body, I want a vagina. Besides the type of person I like is not like what most gay men are attracted to.

Well, I think I will have a headache if I have to explain to other people what I'm explaining to you, but I'm sure who I'm attracted to.

Minh

You like men, in a hetero way.

[Guest symempathy]

You like men, in a hetero way.

You think I like men in a hetero way? That is interesting, but how so?

On media, I constantly see that two people who are attracted to each other tend to have opposite personalities.

I, on the other hand, prefer guys whose personality is similar to mine. In my life I have seen men who in my eyes are definitely real men. No matter how soft, shy, and gentle they are, I can never see them as women in men's shell. And I also see men who are quite sissy like females. I cannot explain it, only feel it.

[Guest Micha]

Just a play on my favorite quote from a Khaos Komix t-shirt.

"I like guys/girls, in a gay way."

See?

Just a different perspective on a complicated idea. Is sexuality based on gender? Sex? Intercourse? How does someone know what their sexuality is when their gender is completely neglected by today's definitions?

Just gotta get creative.

[Guest Chrysee]

Just a play on my favorite quote from a Khaos Komix t-shirt.

"I like guys/girls, in a gay way."

See?

Just a different perspective on a complicated idea. Is sexuality based on gender? Sex? Intercourse? How does someone know what their sexuality is when their gender is completely neglected by today's definitions?

Just gotta get creative.

And so you did! And what a good job you made of it, Micha.

Chrysalis

[Guest Foosnark]

I introduced myself on another forum recently and, without thinking about it, described myself as straight and gender-fluid. Was surprised when someone called me on it right away. To me it's important not to confuse gender with sexuality, and I am prepared in advance to get angry over the "femme = gay" thing. So of course I was still hetero... how could I not be? ...oh. Pesky division by zero!

[Guest Micha]

To me it's important not to confuse gender with sexuality, and I am prepared in advance to get angry over the "femme = gay" thing.

Agreed, such stereotypes are rubbish.

I'm still uncertain how sexuality would be defined for a genderqueer individual, but for me, pansexual fits best (or omnisexual, that sounds better). Gender has nothing to do with love for me, and genitals just affect intercourse. I prefer women mostly, but not exclusively as I have come to realize. A moot point now in my life. . .

[Guest alicewonders]

To add to this all i can say is thed whole thing gdets confusing... I have always hated the use of terms such as straight gay bi or lesbian. To me it is just another way to through people into catagories. I have always been more attracted to men but dont think i could lable myself one way or the other... Lol really wouldnt know if i should say straight female or gay male... Or now even lesbian since i find my girlfriend very attractive when she is dressed up... So i would just say... Who knows????

[Guest Micha]

To add to this all i can say is thed whole thing gdets confusing... I have always hated the use of terms such as straight gay bi or lesbian. To me it is just another way to through people into catagories. I have always been more attracted to men but dont think i could lable myself one way or the other... Lol really wouldnt know if i should say straight female or gay male... Or now even lesbian since i find my girlfriend very attractive when she is dressed up... So i would just say... Who knows????

You rock.

I like the thought of everyone jus bein like "men? women? whatever, I love who I love regardless." Cuz really, even for heterosexuals, they won't love just anybody, even if the sex is "right." They still have preferances that have nothing to do with sexual orientation.

I also hate the term "straight" for heterosexual. What's that imply about everyone who's not hetero? They crooked? Broken? It's like implying andything not hetero is flawed or inferior. That bothers me so much.

And I guess I already figured my stance out here. Gender and sex do not define my attraction, though it doesn't seem to matter anymore. I still get wierd looks from friends and family when I say things like "oh he's got beautiful eyes."

[Guest Chrysee]

My partner insists that everybody has a little gay in them. This, however, confuses me as now she becomes so standoffish when I get all dressed up.

Go figure.

[Guest Michellewhois]

WOW OH WOW!!! After reading all this discussion about who or what and the what ifs, I can honestly say that at least I know that I'm not the only one that's confused. The one thing that I'm glad about is that I think (and I know how dangerous that could be) everyone is in agreement that it's has nothing to do with who or what your outward appearance is or might be, it's who you choose to spend your life with. If they are comfortable with you, and you are comfortable with you, then who cares what others label you as.

Life is life. If you don't have one then you might want to think about getting one.

[Guest terra]

i'm generally not that attracted to guys, but i appreciate good looks. i still, however, describe myself as "straight; both ways"

[Guest Alder]

heh, this topic is interesting in thought processes.... I don't really consider myself as hetro, even though I'm not sexually attracted to females. It's easier though, when asked to simply say I'm straight; even though I'm sure half the people I meet think I'm a lesbian due to my appearance.

sexuality is a pretty tricky topic.....

[Guest Micha]

Mental conversation:

"Are you. . . gay?"

No.

"Oh. . . so you're straight then?"

*cringe* Not really. . .

"Wha. . . "

I er. . . like people?

[Guest Alder]

Micha... if this where facebook and I could like your post... I totally would.

[Guest terra]

Wow, alder you're a mind reader lol. I was gonna say that about your post, and again to yours micha i'm on my ipod so i can only see them one by one hehe.

I was like:

Post 1:

post 2:

post 3:

[Guest ~Brenda~]

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender identity. Let's make that abundantly clear...OK?

One is physically attracted to people that they find attractive. That is it. There is nothing more to it.

Love

Brenda

[Guest Micha]

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender identity. Let's make that abundantly clear...OK?

One is physically attracted to people that they find attractive. That is it. There is nothing more to it.

Love

Brenda

Oh, the abundance of clarity is crystal.

It's like a rubix cube or a jigsaw puzzle though, trying to figure out how to define sexuality when your gender identity isn't "officially" recognized. In review:

Hetero: Women like men and men like women.

Homo: Men like men and women like women.

Bi: Either/or

Pan: Everybody's fair game. (Think this be the only one could really apply in a practical way to me)

So for a genderqueer person?

. . .

If I like women, I'm still not hetero, cuz I like women in a gay sense. But I'm not a lesbian cuz I'm not a woman either, so what then? Is it like trisexual minus one? *mindscrew*

To be hetero then do I have to be attracted to other genderqueer people? So what of agendered? Third gender? Gender fluid? That one has some insane possibilities. . .

Kay, I've completely broken my brain. . .

At this point it seems a moot point, but still fun to consider. I mean really, tha's all it is. There doesn't seem to be a real answer, but tons of ideas and possibilities.

Much love,

Micha

[Guest Alder]

Terra: XD heeeeeee~