Airport Body Scanner

[Guest Tiaria]

Ars Technica just published an 'interesting' article about these scanners, and how to really unnerve those wanna be cops...:

"Going commando" on the TSA.

[Guest erinanita]

This thread has really made me think about air travel. My SO and I are celebrating 25 years of marriage in the spring and we are thinking seriously about going back to New York for a visit. It is a wonderful city to vacation in. I am a non-op transsexual and am very insecure about air travel in the states. Although my ID will identify me as male, I always pass as a female. I have written an email to the TSA asking what I can expect when flying to or through a U.S. destination

As well as my picture ID I always carry a carry letter from my gender therapist.

Thtufus

[Guest Cynthia Of Creation]

if the pilot flies the plain does he really need to be pat down? i mean really, common sense and refusing a pat down from a non legally authorized person and you get in trouble!? even cops can only pat you down with probable cause like they can smell somthing on you, and realy wouldnt it would make more sense to have a security personele on the plain? in case someone made it past security? and also so that the security measures are legal and non invasive and dont violate our rights.

[Guest DawnK]

One of the theories that has been floated is there was so much time and money spent on the scanners and such a backlash that they wanted to make the pat downs so invasive that people would chose to be scanned and it would just be one more thing over time that people would just accept.

Kim

If I recall though, the boy in the video went through the scanner and passed. I think that a lot of it is just a power trip for some of these folks. When I was in 911 dispatching, those who couldn't become police officers were sent to TAS to see if they could get on there.

And the one man I read about, went thought the scanner and advised the TAS, but was pull aside anyway. He did get them to take him into an office, but dispite him asking them to be careful and telling them what it was, when the seal was broken and it bagan to leak, the officers didn't seen to care at all. He had to finish his flight in urine soaked shirt and pants. Who wants to sit next to that, let alone have to be the individual?

[Guest Donna Jean]

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The pat downs of the pilots is redundant!

So he doesn't carry a weapon on board...the weapon is in his hands the whole flight...

It's the AIRPLANE!

Geez......

Donna Jean

[Guest NatalieRene]

But even if all the TSA agents know, what's going to happen? You'r going to get on your plane and fly far away. Even if they tell all the other people in line, you're not going to see them again. Airports are some of the most diverse places in the world with people flying in and out from all over the place for all kinds of purposes. The chances of you meeting someone you met in an airport again are low.

It doesn't matter what the chances are. It's still not acceptable.

[Guest NatalieRene]

One of the theories that has been floated is there was so much time and money spent on the scanners and such a backlash that they wanted to make the pat downs so invasive that people would chose to be scanned and it would just be one more thing over time that people would just accept.

The head of the TSA was talking about the threats of box cutters and underwear bombs when discussing this issue this weekend. Box cutters were not illegal on 9/11. Could have pulled them out of your pocket and put them in the change dish. And many experts say these scanners will not pick up material like the 3 oz that were in guys underwear.

I have a friend who's married to a member of law enforcement in Fla. She told me the State police are going over state laws to try to find a way to shut this down or arrest the people doing it. These are people who actually care about public safety who are also alarmed about a rogue Government division.

Kim

They are doing the same thing at the Laguardia airport in New York. The easiest way to shut them down is to scream sexual harassment after being groped by an TSA agent.

[Guest Shelley]

Let's say a pedophile wants a job... then he applies, and gets, a job with the TSA. Then it just so happens he is the one who "gets to" strip search your child. Think about it. Too far fetched? We'll see...

[Cyndee]

Let's say a pedophile wants a job... then he applies, and gets, a job with the TSA. Then it just so happens he is the one who "gets to" strip search your child. Think about it. Too far fetched? We'll see...

It's not too far fetched, the TSA is becoming a rouge entity in it's self. It's feeding on fear, fear of an attack, any government agency that feeds on fear, is a real concern. Authority dictating policy based on fear, think about it ?

Cindy -

[Guest Tiaria]

It's not too far fetched, the TSA is becoming a rouge entity in it's self. It's feeding on fear, fear of an attack, any government agency that feeds on fear, is a real concern. Authority dictating policy based on fear, think about it ?

Cindy -

That's called FUD, Cindy.

• Fear
  
• Uncertainty
  
• Doubt
  

Far be it from me to try and cure people of their paranoia...

Tiaria

[Guest DawnK]

Let's say a pedophile wants a job... then he applies, and gets, a job with the TSA. Then it just so happens he is the one who "gets to" strip search your child. Think about it. Too far fetched? We'll see...

You aren't the only one who's thought of this, the person who sent me the link titled the email "Pedophile alert"

Mods, it the following is out of order, please delete, but another friend sent this to me and I tend to agree with what they're saying.

TSA Tactics Find Ominous Parallel in cup cake Germany

The TSA is part of a larger effort to implement a slow motion surveillance and high-tech police state control grid in America. It is an element of the “alternative geography” of the military-corporate-intelligence establishment, an aspect specifically designed to acclimate Americans to the prospect of an ever encroaching police state. The tight integration of the corporate-government aspect of this alternative geography is demonstrated by the relationship the government has with the Chertoff Group, a public relations firm pushing naked body scanners founded by Michael Chertoff, the former boss of the Department of Homeland Security.

The new procedures defended over the weekend by Barry Obama from a NATO summit in Portugal are not about finding the next underwear bomber and protecting the American people from al-Qaeda. The latest procedures are designed to get the American people accustomed to the idea that the police, the alternative geography of the military-corporate-intelligence network, and the government will micro-manage and control the public and eventually all aspects of our private lives. Events reveal that the government is not interested in preventing an al-Qaeda attack, but keeping tabs on and when possible subverting opposition to its power.

Child subjected to TSA strip search.

It took Hitler and the cup cakes nearly a decade to impose a murderous police state on the German people. In the wake of the staged burning of the Reichstag in February of 1933, the cup cakes suspended the civil liberties of the German people and began a concerted effort to eliminate all opposition to their fascist regime. The cup cakes would later stage a false flag incident known as the Gleiwitz incident in order to provide and excuse to invade Poland and start the Second World War.

Left unchallenged, government invariably evolves into a tyrannical force at odds with the interest of the people. Minus effective opposition, the people of Germany had little choice but to support Hitler and his ill-fated war.

Women stripped and then made to wait for their turn.

It has taken the federal government and its Department of Homeland Security – an agency on the drawing board well before September 11, 2001 – to implement police state tactics in regard to travel that far surpass anything devised by the cup cakes.

Even before the attacks of September 11, 2001, the government planned to create and impose a police state control grid on the American people. For instance, the Bill of Rights crushing Patriot Act was devised well before the attack and its predecessor, the 1996 Antiterrorism Act, was rushed into law following the first suspicious attack on the World Trade Center and the equally suspicious attack in Oklahoma City. Habeas corpus law was forever changed by the law touted by then president Bill Clinton.

Armed with its new and draconian palette of laws and mandates, the federal government, including the FBI, the CIA, and the Pentagon, have exploited the September 11 attacks to go after the real enemy – the American people.

Coming soon to an airport near you — strip searches.

The Pentagon has surveilled the antiwar movement and the Department of Homeland Security with its state level partners in Missouri and elsewhere around the country have profiled entirely legal “rightwing” political organizations and individuals as potential terrorists. The corporate media, acting as the establishment’s ministry of propaganda, has amplified this absurd terrorist myth.

As the founders realized, government left to its own devices and unrestrained by the people invariably turns into a tyrannical leviathan. Groping TSA screeners and dangerous radiation naked body scanners are the public visage of the state as it slowly morphs into a high-tech tyranny.

Just as in cup cake Germany, the authorities-that-be are forcing women, children and men to strip search. Now it is happening in the United States of America, a supposedly free country.

President Barry Obama, DHS boss Janet Napolitano, and TSA director John Pistole have said naked body scanners will remain and the sexual molestation at America’s airports will continue.

“I understand how difficult it is, and how offensive it must be for the people who are going through it,” said Secretary of State Clinton today. Clinton said the government is “trying to do the right thing” by expanding the intrusive nature of the police state. “Clinton has likely rarely, if ever, dealt with metal detectors, explosives swabs, full-body backscatter scanners or pat-downs as an air traveler since she began receiving Secret Service protection with her husband, former President Bill Clinton, in 1992,” reports the Christian Science Monitor.

But then the police state and its ever growing manifestations of surveillance and control are not for the likes of Hillary Clinton and other leaders, officials, and minions of government power.

The growing police state grid is for the American people because since time immemorial government has been an enemy of the people.

[Sally]

It is a subject that will always have a debate - one side stating that it is for your protection and the other wanting privacy.

The theory that an innocent man has nothing to hide has sent many an innocent man to prison - lawyers, while I have no respect for the profession as a whole are the only means to stop this sort of thing - individuals have very limited rights, if you are ever a victim of a crime you will see how many rights a criminal has and to what lengths we go to protect them - yours however - incidental at best.

Too many people will just quietly submit for fear of having their names added to the dreaded 'no fly list' (which did not stop the Times Square Bomber from getting on a plane - that was where he was arrested and his name was on the list.

Fear causes so many problems in our lives - it makes us delay our transitions, makes us stay in jobs we hate, live in areas we do not like and give up many of our rights.

Roosevelt was right "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" because most of our real problems are fueled by our fears or the fears of others.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest sarah f]

They are doing the same thing at the Laguardia airport in New York. The easiest way to shut them down is to scream sexual harassment after being groped by an TSA agent.

I like this idea but I don't think I could scream this out in front of everyone. I just can't be the center of attention in a crowded place. I might tell it to them quietly.

[Guest Donna Jean]

Fear causes so many problems in our lives - it makes us delay our transitions, makes us stay in jobs we hate, live in areas we do not like and give up many of our rights.

Roosevelt was right "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" because most of our real problems are fueled by our fears or the fears of others.

Love ya,

Sally

Right on, Sally!

Huggs

Donna Jean

[Cyndee]

The government / media complex says everything is just fine, go watch football, that protests this holiday season will not be a problem, and you will comply or you will not fly.

Lot's of this floating around lately. Attached are few I could not help but chuckle.

[Guest sarah f]

Cindy those were too funny. Thanks for sharing.

[Guest Donna Jean]

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LOL...."Freedom Pat"........

OMG!

Donna Jean

[Cyndee]

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LOL...."Freedom Pat"........

OMG!

Donna Jean

That's my fave too,

GAWD

[Guest Tiaria]

The government / media complex says everything is just fine, go watch football, that protests this holiday season will not be a problem, and you will comply or you will not fly.

Lot's of this floating around lately. Attached are few I could not help but chuckle.

(Rolling on the floor, laughing my a** off)

Well, it's been a while since had a good laugh

[Guest Tiaria]

You really should read (and view) this article from Ars Technica:

Adam Savage: TSA saw my junk, missed 12" razor blades

By the way, Adam (One of the MythBusters) really doesn't belong in a suit with a tie, it just isn't his style...

[Guest sarah f]

It loooks like that was a stand up comedy show. I hope that was part of his act and just a joke.

[Guest Tiaria]

It loooks like that was a stand up comedy show. I hope that was part of his act and just a joke.

Makes for good television, anyway...

As for 'jokes', as far as I'm concerned (I won't be going on a plane, so I'm not...) the TSA is a joke.

[Guest Donna Jean]

It loooks like that was a stand up comedy show. I hope that was part of his act and just a joke.

REALLY!

Donna Jean

[Guest Tiaria]

You really should read (and view) this article from Ars Technica:

Adam Savage: TSA saw my junk, missed 12" razor blades

By the way, Adam (One of the MythBusters) really doesn't belong in a suit with a tie, it just isn't his style...

Alright, I'll take it back... I thought this was funny, seems I was mistaken...

[Guest Shelley]

I liked the Adam Savage video, and I don't think he was joking. He was just telling it how it is. The TSA is so fixated on their new found power trip, they have become complacent to the real purpose of their mission. Two words says it all, "It figures."