Jump to content
  • Welcome to the TransPulse Forums!

    We offer a safe, inclusive community for transgender and gender non-conforming folks, as well as their loved ones, to find support and information.  Join today!

Told Best Friends


Guest Fletcher

Recommended Posts

Guest Fletcher

So last night I was hanging out with my best friends at a sleep over and the topic of our sexualities came up. First it was just jokey stuff, but then it turned kind of serious. So I thought, what the heck, I'll come out to them.

At first I thought it'd be fine - "Oh, I don't care whether you're transgender or not, you're the same person to us" (I was using simple terms - I didn't touch on androgyny) and so on. But then I was asked what exactly made me want to be a guy. And I said "I just do, it's hard to explain." So to make it clearer to them I told them about how I'd felt during my childhood and so on. And that's when it started to go downhill.

No matter how many times I said "It's not that I don't want to be girly, it's that I don't want to be a girl" they still kept on saying "oh, you're a tomboy, it's okay, some girls are like that". I tried to make them think differently by saying "If I had been born a guy and had just told you I wanted to be a woman, would you treat me more seriously?" They didn't seem to get it. One of my friends said that it's just because of the way I was raised and the others didn't really say anything. They made a lot of comparisons between their older sisters (some had been total tomboys until they turned a cerain age and so on) and basically seemed to be telling me that I was just going through a phase.

Then I mentioned this place - I said "I joined a forum for people like me". After I'd explained what a forum was, they started getting kind of nasty. One girl - the one I'd consider myself closest to - turned the whole conversation into a "damnit Maeve you're influenced too much by the internet and I bet you couldn't spend a month without the internet and you rely too much on facts and statistics". They way they suddenly seemed to turn on me was very hurtful and I started crying, which was horrible. They kept on spouting cliche lines like "you're a person not a statistic" but it didn't help at all. It felt like I was being told off by my parents - "are we making any impression on you at all, Maeve? Of course not." I was asked whether I'd told my parents and I said I was scared of telling my parents. That was the last straw as far as they were concerned - "Well if you don't want to tell your parents it means you don't actually feel this. If you don't want to make the (three hour) trip to Dublin to go to this therapist then you're not really transgender."

They ended up having to hug me for about five minutes because I was crying so much.

All in all, it wasn't a good experience. I don't want to bring it up with them again but I can't make them forget it (they asked this morning what kind of male name I'd like, whether I'd wear a dress or not to an upcoming party and so on). Even though they seem all right with it, I feel like I lost all my credibility the moment I mentioned that I'd spoken with other people online. I'm still a little confused about what actually happened last night, especially how I should feel about it.

Link to comment
Guest JaniceW

Fletcher,

Imagine trying to describe an elephant to a blind person. Actually do that for a few minutes. See how absolutely impossible it is to describe something to someone who has absolutely no frame of reference to put it into. You can't say that the elephant's trunk is like a snake because the blind person has never seen a snake and cannot relate to that.

You have tried to explain something to your friends that they have no frame of reference to understand, the frame of reference that they have tells them something that is totally wrong from the truth for you. Why did they keep talking to you about how wrong you are? Because they care about you and from their perspective they think you are thinking something that is harming you and they want to help. They are trying in their own way to be there for you but their frame of reference leaves them no context into which to place what you have told them.

They want to give you good advice but the advice they are giving is what would be good for them not you because they are not trans.

The real message for you is that they did not walk away from you, yes they do not understand what you are going through and they may never understand it but they accept you and they care about you. Now they also know what you have told them. So move off of this subject with them for a while. Accept that they do not understand but they also did not reject you. Get on with being friends.

Link to comment
Guest Avery F

Well, your friends didn't outright reject you, which is obviously a good thing. Perhaps you could help them to understand you by telling them where to find out more about transgender topics; while they may be doubtful if you just tell them the information, reading it for themselves may give them a better chance of understanding. I know what you mean about the 'tomboy vs. transman' thing, I get it frequently from my parents - but despite what people may say, there clearly IS a difference; it's just a matter of being willing to understand that fact.

Link to comment

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Who's Online   9 Members, 0 Anonymous, 78 Guests (See full list)

    • Ashley0616
    • Nonexistent
    • awkward-yet-sweet
    • MaryEllen
    • KathyLauren
    • Vidanjali
    • Roach
    • Petra Jane
    • Birdie
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      80.8k
    • Total Posts
      770.3k
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      12,103
    • Most Online
      8,356

    BUGFIEND
    Newest Member
    BUGFIEND
    Joined
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Bobbijean
      Bobbijean
    2. Bryan
      Bryan
      (61 years old)
    3. jlw5ju
      jlw5ju
      (27 years old)
    4. ladykirabellum
      ladykirabellum
      (47 years old)
    5. Lizzie17
      Lizzie17
  • Posts

    • awkward-yet-sweet
      Not to justify it, but this is what happens when folks rely on accepting money from the government.  It just isn't secure!  When the times change and different winds blow, you find yourself coming up short on funds.  Don't trust the feds, don't trust the state.    I don't believe in separation of church and state.  I believe the USA is a Christian nation, but that Congress doesn't make an establishment of which kind of church that refers to.  Reading the writings left by the Founders (who were mostly Christian or Deist), I think it is pretty clear that they wanted to avoid the bloody Protestant vs. Catholic conflicts that had been going on in Europe for the previous 250 years.    I think one huge problem is that we've had a separation of culture and state already.  There's been an abandonment of traditional American culture, or at least a significant change in it.  People often act servile, not independent.  People seek government help rather than taking care of themselves and those around them.  Its like everybody is waiting for an answer, like baby birds in the nest chirping to have something delivered to them from up above.    To me, the federal government has two purposes - to keep foreign forces and influence out of our territory, and to tax foreign trade to protect domestic economy.  They've pretty much failed at both. 
    • awkward-yet-sweet
      Actually, yes!  Its how I met my two trans friends.  My husband helped to arrange jobs and housing for both of them.  And in the process, they also fell in love, and so far their relationship is going well.  I'm glad to have been part of helping out.
    • KathyLauren
      I am not sure what "it" you are asking about.  The surgery, or the increased urgency of peeing?   I haven't felt any increased urgency.  I can hold it for as long as I used to, I think.  One thing that is different is that, once I start, it is almost impossible to stop the flow.  My pelvic floor physio said I had really good control of my pelvic floor muscles, but it didn't help with that.   My goal for surgery was just to have a female body.  I think I was foreseeing the persecution that is rising now.  Part of my reasoning, though I didn't plan it out clearly in those terms, was that I would be able to pass a strip-search gender check.  I was thinking more about passing in locker rooms, but passing in police lineups may be more necessary if certain political elements get their way.  
    • awkward-yet-sweet
      Wow.  That's crazy that somebody just comes onto your private place and starts demanding stuff.  You're absolutely right to press charges.  It seems like there's very little respect for private property these days. 
    • awkward-yet-sweet
      Actually, my husband has two different job titles at his company.  He's transportation manager, and also one of the project managers.  Its funny because he's got an office in the main building, and a smaller one in the transportation building, and he's rarely in either one.  He's got three site foremen who report to him, and also the shop supervisor and drivers' supervisor.  So he usually spends his days at installation sites, meeting clients, or handling all the paperwork that keeps the transportation side of the business compliant with FMCSA rules.    But he's definitely a truck driver by personality, and he taught me how to drive and helped me get my CDL.  Kind of a backup option for a job if I ever needed one.  I think this week is going to be one of those "all hands on deck" kind of occasions, so we'll probably take a load or two.  I'm looking forward to it.  Its really funny when I'm driving and we get into a truck stop.  I get out of the cab, and I get a lot of stares because of my size and looking like I'm a teenager.  And we get more stares when we share a shower.  
    • Lydia_R
      Yep, this thing is a red flag that people should be super aware of on this site.  I've been working from home exclusively for 12 years.  I'm a house cat like that, so this isn't much of a deterrent for me.  I've been venturing out into the women's restrooms a little bit lately, but as is typical of people like me, I'm just in there to do my business and get out.  I avoid that as much as I can and use those single bathrooms whenever I can.  I went over a year without going to a public restroom.  I just don't go out much.   I haven't stood to pee in 7 years now.  The idea of surgery is very, very scary for me (I wrote a book about it).  I'm likely going to do it though.  I would like some evidence from other transwomen of what it is really like.  I'm not one to take plane flights, but taking a flight for that is well justified.  Before my testosterone was blocked, there was a much larger sexual side to M->F transition.  Now sexuality plays a back seat to the idea of wanting to pee like a woman.  It's always been in my mind, but the desire for that has grown.   Respectfully, Lydia_R
    • April Marie
      Just a black skort and a yellow t-shirt with sneakers today.
    • Birdie
      Wearing my new top for my Zoom meeting today. ☺️
    • Lydia_R
      I've gotten to the point lately where I'm thinking of the extension of the separation of church and state to separation of culture and state.  Government's purpose to ensure a construct of civility.  Food, clothing, shelter and justice for the individual.  That includes the roads as far as they pertain to the distribution of food, clothing and shelter.  And "ensure" is different than "provide".   I think that there is no way to truly express yourself or have a good foundation without having a personal culture.  I like telling stories and teaching lessons through my culture, but I always hope that people don't think I'm promoting my culture beyond it just being visible as an option.
    • KatieSC
      I would imagine the GOPers are holding that by bull in their hand and paying attention to the Trump version with the nine commandments highlighted.
    • Adrianna Danielle
      Having to call the police on a woman that was being a Karen.Was in my shop fixing my car and wanted me to fix hers.Told her it was my personal shop and told her no.Would not take no for an answer and called the police.I did decide to press trespassing charges on her.I knew she was one of those entitled people
    • Ivy
      It is scary, (and as you say, thrilling) at first.  But the more you do it the easier it gets.  I dress fem 24/7 (almost always skirts and dresses) and I live in a conservative county of a "red state".   Sure, there are places I avoid, but I have little desire to be there anyway.  It gets to just be part of who you are.   My experience is that most people don't care, some are curious, and surprisingly many (usually other women) friendly.   The first steps are the hardest.  It's similar with bathrooms.
    • Ivy
      Don't know how this posted itself.  To continue…   There was a time when I tried to make excuses for them.  But I am coming to the realization that in their eyes, I, and those like me, are 2nd class citizens at best.
    • Ivy
      There is a rather large part of the GOP that is determined to strip the rights of trans citizens, despite us being a small minority, some with families, who work, pay taxes, and who do - and have served in our armed forces, are medics, nurses, etc.   They insist that the US is a "christian country" - referring to their particular brand of christianity.  And this is despite the constitution, that they claim near worship of, expressly prohibiting this very thing.    
    • Lydia_R
      Oregon has a law that allows you to change your name and gender once in your lifetime without involving the courts.  It took me about 2.5 months to complete and was relatively easy.  It came up yesterday about how I changed my gender on my ID to F instead of X.  I identify with M->F, not X.  I passed over the line into F, but I'm still near the middle in the spectrum.  And I intend to keep going in the F direction.  There is another transwoman named Rachel Rand who is about 10 years older than me and I use her as a model for where I want to be in 10 years.   I'm a proud Gen X'er, but it's based on latchkey arcade games, not gender.
  • Upcoming Events

Contact TransPulse

TransPulse can be contacted in the following ways:

Email: Click Here.

To report an error on this page.

Legal

Your use of this site is subject to the following rules and policies, whether you have read them or not.

Terms of Use
Privacy Policy
DMCA Policy
Community Rules

Hosting

Upstream hosting for TransPulse provided by QnEZ.

Sponsorship

Special consideration for TransPulse is kindly provided by The Breast Form Store.
×
×
  • Create New...