Michele Bachmann

[Guest Jenni_S]

“Everyone is welcome at Laura’s Playground.” That’s what it says. Now, I know that’s not true, both through personal experience, and from reading for a few months. It’s not hard to see what is welcomed and what isn’t. But what I’m reading here is so outrageous, that I had to say something.

Let’s look at some of the things that are being said here, by the inclusive, accepting, tolerant community. “I wish I could pop her in the mouth.” “I guess she gets the ignorant vote.” “She started any bashing…” “Do not underestimate the stupidity of the American public!” “but none of the Republican candidates are worth supporting for any reason.” “I supposed if it were Hitler you’d think we’d be bashing cup cakes.”

My, my, my. One political candidate and her party certainly do bring out the ad hominem, don’t they? But let’s stop, and think, for just a moment here. Is it really true that not one Republican candidate, out of the several currently running, has one good idea? Really? None at all? I suppose it’s better to believe that, since it makes it simple to dismiss them.

The stupidity of the American public? When we’ve had some of the closest elections ever seen in the last 12 years, for President, Senate, and many more, are we really going to say that roughly half of the population of the United States is stupid? That’s one of the broadest brushes I’ve ever seen used, but again, it makes it that much simpler, doesn’t it? “They’re just stupid.”

But I don’t think 50% of the United States is stupid. There are reasons that candidates have people supporting them. It’s a tough thing to do, when someone hates a group so much, to understand, or make an effort to understand, why they have support. But they do. Why? They’re not stupid. Have you ever thought of asking them?

I say all of this because I am tired of hearing it. The conservatives, the Christians, they’re all bad. I hear it daily. Yet here I am, a Roman Catholic, post-op transsexual. Who has worked for her former Catholic high school of 2,000 students for 21 years, in a visible position. And five years ago, they had the audacity to accept my transition, and keep me working for them. Imagine that. And good heavens, parents and students gave me support. Who could have believed it, huh? And here I am today, about to begin another school year, working with those lousy Catholic kids and their families.

Oh, my church? Same thing. Frightful, I know. But then, they’re real people, not a nebulous organization that’s easy to slap a label on.

Most of you, I know, will immediately think, “oh, well, that’s isolated.” No, not really. You see, when people actually take the time to be cordial and respectful, even to people that may not like them, they can actually have dialogue and learn things from each other.

Has anyone here ever even spoken to the Representative from the Sixth District of the State of Minnesota? No? Well, I suppose that makes it easier, then, to say we’d like to hit her, call her ignorant, stupid, and a host of other names and labels. After all, I’m sure we all appreciate it when we get called “tran-ny,” and “freak,” and “Sweetie,” and all those other fun names; might as well turn it back on them. I’ve had experience that makes it much less obvious that conservatives and Christians are the root of all evil.

But all the hate we seem to see as unjustified and vile, when directed at us, is perfectly OK to flow in the other direction. Heck, trot out the cup cakes again, they’re always good to spice up a good conflict, and make you get taken seriously, right?

Yes, you’re welcome here, if you think the right way, and fit the mold of the majority of the people here. Otherwise, though, you’ll find condescension and patronization are very easily doled out.

The irony of it all, the (welcoming!) transgender community with its continued hatred against other groups, would be funny, if it weren’t so sad. Every group needs someone to hate, though, right?

That’s all I have to say. Feel free to crucify me again.

[Guest Donna Jean]

That’s all I have to say. Feel free to crucify me again.

Who crucified you before, Hon?

Dee Jay

[Guest Jaded1]

Can we please keep the posts about this witch hunter in the politics forum where they belong?

I'd just as soon not be constantly reminded of her existance...

Thanks.

Amen.

I know that politicizing everything nowadays is the duty of our elected officials and the media pulpit goes to the loudest (and usually dumbest) of them but I would hope that at some point the ones with brain cells left among us will not allow this to control our understanding of the issues and completely sidetrack our conversations and debates of what is TRULY important as in 2011 we STILL have a failing nation, STILL have an economy on the verge, STILL have income disparity worse than 37 other westernized nations (and worsening), STILL have to sell our souls for healthcare and education, STILL waste trillions maintaining a crumbling empire and STILL most of us don't have a job that we can live on or any job at all.

Please notice that this topic IS in the political forum......

Also, if she were to get in, all of the other issues would be a moot point for us and our kind.....

We have to first be able to exist to decide on the quality of life next!

Donna Jean

I don't think anyone with even the slightest grounding in reality thinks she will get anywhere. First off, the Republicans won't be the ones to be the first to nominate a female for President (sorry, that might sound good but their base would never go for it) secondly, they are not going to nominate one that is as polarizing and far right as she is.

I know we are still a little ways away but my money is on Romney or Perry. Of those two, neither will be getting my vote. Romney is the saner of the two but is just out of touch with what needs to be done and he lost MAJOR brownie points with me when he did an about face on socialized healthcare, especially when he championed it (to great success btw) in his own state.

Perry scares me even more than Bush/Palin/Bachman combined. Even giving him the nomination would prove to me that this country had learned nothing from the 8 years of Bush.

As far as Republican candidates, I am not a hater. I am just waiting for the Republicans to make up their mind on what they stand for. IMHO one of the smartest guys in that room is the one that always seem to want to marginalize and push aside as a loony old ma. (Ron Paul).

On the flipside, I am none too happy with the Democrats as I consider them by and large without purpose, guidance and spine. The fact that under the wings of Obama they flew into all houses of power in 08 and successfully got walked all over by the minority Republicans is amazing to me.

I think you will agree with me that by and large, when it comes to religion mixing into politics, that rarely leads to anything good. The right doesn't pander to the average Joe Christian American but to the off the wall, far out there wackos and those are the voices we hear. I know plenty of folks that are religious and are tolerant, wise and kind and folks that are not religous that are bigoted and stupid.

I guess what I am getting at it is don't make your mind up that all on Laura's are hateful. In the case of Mrs. Bachman, I will admit, she boils my blood with the hateful rhetoric she spews and seems to actually believe in (which makes her twice as dangerous) but I do accept her right to do so and for plenty of folks to give her message merit and follow.

[Carolyn Marie]

Jenni, you are as guilty of lumping all of us together into a homogeneous group as you claim we are regarding Christians, Republicans and conservatives.

There have been 27 replies in this thread, by perhaps 12 different people. That qualifies as the entire "Community" or all of Laura's membership? Not hardly. Homogenous? Try reading my reply #18, in which I state clearly that there are clergy and conservatives who support us.

This is a discussion thread. All viewpoints are welcome here. If your viewpoint was not welcome, would your post be here? Have any of us told you not to post, or that your views are not welcome? Yes, this subject has elicited some strong views. I don't agree with some of them, but as long as they stay within the T & C's, they are allowed.

My comment on Republican candidates - I stand by what I said. IMO, none of them are worthy of my vote. That is my opinion, and I am as entitled to it as you are of yours. Those politicians who demonize TG persons and the TG Community deserve the opprobrium that they get from the Community. If and when they say they accept us as human beings deserving of respect, is when I will respect them back.

HUGS

Carolyn Marie

[Sally]

The stupidity of the American public? When we’ve had some of the closest elections ever seen in the last 12 years, for President, Senate, and many more, are we really going to say that roughly half of the population of the United States is stupid? That’s one of the broadest brushes I’ve ever seen used, but again, it makes it that much simpler, doesn’t it? “They’re just stupid.”

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it." Agent K (Tommy Lee Jones - Men in Black)

In case anyone is too young to remember one of the Presidential elections in those 12 years was not decided by the American public as the Supreme Court has only 9 members - the country has more people or the census would only take about five minutes to compile.

As a full 75% of the people who vote for a certain unnamed party do not make enough money to even be considered in any of their plans - while over 80% who vote for the other party make too much money to be helped by most of their policies either - the problem is that we should all vote for what is good for the country and to the best of my knowledge and studies of the past - putting all of the country's money in the hands of an ever diminishing few does lead to revolution - they are always bloody and always end with just a different elite, ruling class - the former leaders of the revolution who now find a small ruling elite just fine.

Study history or be doomed to repeat it - I cannot think for anyone but myself - I can state my opinions but as no one wants to listen why bother, I try never to turn to personal attacks and I am refraining here.

Love - all of you,

Sally

[Guest Donna Jean]

I don't think anyone with even the slightest grounding in reality thinks she will get anywhere.

Of course I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance of getting in...

First off, the Republicans won't be the ones to be the first to nominate a female for President (sorry, that might sound good but their base would never go for it) secondly, they are not going to nominate one that is as polarizing and far right as she is.

lol....don't be so sure...Sarah Palin was running a heartbeat away from ....

I guess what I am getting at it is don't make your mind up that all on Laura's are hateful. In the case of Mrs. Bachman, I will admit, she boils my blood with the hateful rhetoric she spews and seems to actually believe in (which makes her twice as dangerous) but I do accept her right to do so and for plenty of folks to give her message merit and follow.

Good...

Dee Jay

[Guest Jaded1]

I don't think anyone with even the slightest grounding in reality thinks she will get anywhere.

Of course I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance of getting in...

First off, the Republicans won't be the ones to be the first to nominate a female for President (sorry, that might sound good but their base would never go for it) secondly, they are not going to nominate one that is as polarizing and far right as she is.

lol....don't be so sure...Sarah Palin was running a heartbeat away from ....

I guess what I am getting at it is don't make your mind up that all on Laura's are hateful. In the case of Mrs. Bachman, I will admit, she boils my blood with the hateful rhetoric she spews and seems to actually believe in (which makes her twice as dangerous) but I do accept her right to do so and for plenty of folks to give her message merit and follow.

Good...

Dee Jay

On that second point I will have to disagree. The minute after people got past the wow factor of a female VP candidate and heard the beast speak, her and grandpa Munster lost more and more of a chance each day culminizing in the sweeping victory of Obama. Having people like Palin, Bachman and the like as candidates is like going to the pet store to watch the poisonous snakes in their enclosures. Fun to watch but you'd never bring one home to live with you.

I guess I revert back to my original point in this thread. What bothers me about these people so much is just simply that we lose focus on what we should be talking about. The actual issues of our lives (as impacted by the policies and laws of the government).

Religion and politcs will never really be an issue as folks that are TRULY with faith and believe the teachings of Jesus, Mohamed or whichever their chosen deity/scripture/philosophy would never engage in the devicive, corrupt and backwards thinking that are politics. (and you can derive from that the conclusion that I elude to...)

The folks that claim to be "of God" like Bachman and Palin are simply self serving charlatans that will do or say whatever is necessary to further their personal ambitions. I am not a person of faith and even I feel insulted for people of faith that people like that say they "represent" them.

[Guest Jaded1]

Jenni, you are as guilty of lumping all of us together into a homogeneous group as you claim we are regarding Christians, Republicans and conservatives.

There have been 27 replies in this thread, by perhaps 12 different people. That qualifies as the entire "Community" or all of Laura's membership? Not hardly. Homogenous? Try reading my reply #18, in which I state clearly that there are clergy and conservatives who support us.

This is a discussion thread. All viewpoints are welcome here. If your viewpoint was not welcome, would your post be here? Have any of us told you not to post, or that your views are not welcome? Yes, this subject has elicited some strong views. I don't agree with some of them, but as long as they stay within the T & C's, they are allowed.

My comment on Republican candidates - I stand by what I said. IMO, none of them are worthy of my vote. That is my opinion, and I am as entitled to it as you are of yours. Those politicians who demonize TG persons and the TG Community deserve the opprobrium that they get from the Community. If and when they say they accept us as human beings deserving of respect, is when I will respect them back.

HUGS

Carolyn Marie

You are definately entitled to your opinion on the matter and I have no dog in the fight so don't take this as an attempt to convince you otherwise, but look into Dr. Paul a bit. You will be amazed that there are actually people that DO represent the core values of being a Republican without the hijacked right wing neo-christian social agenda that you hate so much. In fact Dr. Paul (as a 10 term Republican Congressman from Texas no less and second time candidate for President) supports Gay rights and same sex marriage and supports trans rights.

Shocking, I know, but when you look at what the guy says, does and votes for, you couldn't find a straighter arrow if you tried.

[Guest Vixen Amber]

“Everyone is welcome at Laura’s Playground.” That’s what it says. Now, I know that’s not true, both through personal experience, and from reading for a few months. It’s not hard to see what is welcomed and what isn’t. But what I’m reading here is so outrageous, that I had to say something.

Let’s look at some of the things that are being said here, by the inclusive, accepting, tolerant community. “I wish I could pop her in the mouth.” “I guess she gets the ignorant vote.” “She started any bashing…” “Do not underestimate the stupidity of the American public!” “but none of the Republican candidates are worth supporting for any reason.” “I supposed if it were Hitler you’d think we’d be bashing cup cakes.”

My, my, my. One political candidate and her party certainly do bring out the ad hominem, don’t they? But let’s stop, and think, for just a moment here. Is it really true that not one Republican candidate, out of the several currently running, has one good idea? Really? None at all? I suppose it’s better to believe that, since it makes it simple to dismiss them.

The stupidity of the American public? When we’ve had some of the closest elections ever seen in the last 12 years, for President, Senate, and many more, are we really going to say that roughly half of the population of the United States is stupid? That’s one of the broadest brushes I’ve ever seen used, but again, it makes it that much simpler, doesn’t it? “They’re just stupid.”

But I don’t think 50% of the United States is stupid. There are reasons that candidates have people supporting them. It’s a tough thing to do, when someone hates a group so much, to understand, or make an effort to understand, why they have support. But they do. Why? They’re not stupid. Have you ever thought of asking them?

I say all of this because I am tired of hearing it. The conservatives, the Christians, they’re all bad. I hear it daily. Yet here I am, a Roman Catholic, post-op transsexual. Who has worked for her former Catholic high school of 2,000 students for 21 years, in a visible position. And five years ago, they had the audacity to accept my transition, and keep me working for them. Imagine that. And good heavens, parents and students gave me support. Who could have believed it, huh? And here I am today, about to begin another school year, working with those lousy Catholic kids and their families.

Oh, my church? Same thing. Frightful, I know. But then, they’re real people, not a nebulous organization that’s easy to slap a label on.

Most of you, I know, will immediately think, “oh, well, that’s isolated.” No, not really. You see, when people actually take the time to be cordial and respectful, even to people that may not like them, they can actually have dialogue and learn things from each other.

Has anyone here ever even spoken to the Representative from the Sixth District of the State of Minnesota? No? Well, I suppose that makes it easier, then, to say we’d like to hit her, call her ignorant, stupid, and a host of other names and labels. After all, I’m sure we all appreciate it when we get called “tran-ny,” and “freak,” and “Sweetie,” and all those other fun names; might as well turn it back on them. I’ve had experience that makes it much less obvious that conservatives and Christians are the root of all evil.

But all the hate we seem to see as unjustified and vile, when directed at us, is perfectly OK to flow in the other direction. Heck, trot out the cup cakes again, they’re always good to spice up a good conflict, and make you get taken seriously, right?

Yes, you’re welcome here, if you think the right way, and fit the mold of the majority of the people here. Otherwise, though, you’ll find condescension and patronization are very easily doled out.

The irony of it all, the (welcoming!) transgender community with its continued hatred against other groups, would be funny, if it weren’t so sad. Every group needs someone to hate, though, right?

That’s all I have to say. Feel free to crucify me again.

Say my name if you have a disagreement with me. I am a strong woman. I can take it. I won't crucify someone who nails themselves up willingly.

[Guest Vixen Amber]

“Everyone is welcome at Laura’s Playground.” That’s what it says. Now, I know that’s not true, both through personal experience, and from reading for a few months. It’s not hard to see what is welcomed and what isn’t. But what I’m reading here is so outrageous, that I had to say something.

Oh please, I am the most hated person here and I always have been. I am like that in most TG places. I have accepted that and you know what? Oh well. Can't win em all.

Let’s look at some of the things that are being said here, by the inclusive, accepting, tolerant community. “I wish I could pop her in the mouth.” “I guess she gets the ignorant vote.” “She started any bashing…” “Do not underestimate the stupidity of the American public!” “but none of the Republican candidates are worth supporting for any reason.” “I supposed if it were Hitler you’d think we’d be bashing cup cakes.”

Again if you have a problem with me, my name is Amber. I have always been zealous in my politics and even more so when there is even an inkling of a political candidate who uses the GLBT as a fuel for their stupid views. Way more so when they get even a little bit of voter footing even if they did pay for it. What I can't stand even more than that is the devil's advocate dance someone pulls in every thread. I made that a point, my point is if there is ever a side where one thread seems leaned towards, she makes an effort to go towards the underdog even if that means her looking bad. Guess what, when one makes posts like that they tend to get chewed out, just like my posts make me hated. I know dang well I am hated here. I stay here though because there are threads like this I can post in and threads where people are depressed where I can help them because I know from experience how bad it can get just like others.

My, my, my. One political candidate and her party certainly do bring out the ad hominem, don’t they? But let’s stop, and think, for just a moment here. Is it really true that not one Republican candidate, out of the several currently running, has one good idea? Really? None at all? I suppose it’s better to believe that, since it makes it simple to dismiss them.

Not when she plays at something, says a wife should submit to her husband and refuses to answer any questions regarding her husbands "therapy" or the federal funds it recieved. I would vote libertarian if anything. I will also not give a person the benefit of the doubt especially if they can't even answer those questions.

But I don’t think 50% of the United States is stupid. There are reasons that candidates have people supporting them. It’s a tough thing to do, when someone hates a group so much, to understand, or make an effort to understand, why they have support. But they do. Why? They’re not stupid. Have you ever thought of asking them?

I say all of this because I am tired of hearing it. The conservatives, the Christians, they’re all bad. I hear it daily. Yet here I am, a Roman Catholic, post-op transsexual. Who has worked for her former Catholic high school of 2,000 students for 21 years, in a visible position. And five years ago, they had the audacity to accept my transition, and keep me working for them. Imagine that. And good heavens, parents and students gave me support. Who could have believed it, huh? And here I am today, about to begin another school year, working with those lousy Catholic kids and their families.

Congrats, you found a rare congregation. I have the respect of skinheads and some neo cup cakes in my park. Does it mean I should stand by them because they did for me? I may be christian as well but again I don't stand by stupid. Especially when said stupid is funding things like kill the gays bill in Uganda, or harboring pedophile priests, or picketing funerals.

Oh, my church? Same thing. Frightful, I know. But then, they’re real people, not a nebulous organization that’s easy to slap a label on.

Again, you found a rare catholic church. I wonder how all those people cast out would feel?

Most of you, I know, will immediately think, “oh, well, that’s isolated.” [snip]

Again, rare congregation is rare. Not everyone is so willing to accept us for who we are, grats on you finding one, but like they like to say here. YMMV

Has anyone here ever even spoken to the Representative from the Sixth District of the State of Minnesota? No? Well, I suppose that makes it easier, then, to say we’d like to hit her, call her ignorant, stupid, and a host of other names and labels. After all, I’m sure we all appreciate it when we get called “tran-ny,” and “freak,” and “Sweetie,” and all those other fun names; might as well turn it back on them. I’ve had experience that makes it much less obvious that conservatives and Christians are the root of all evil.

But all the hate we seem to see as unjustified and vile, when directed at us, is perfectly OK to flow in the other direction. Heck, trot out the cup cakes again, they’re always good to spice up a good conflict, and make you get taken seriously, right?

I stand by what I said. You won't find many people with the courage to do that.

Yes, you’re welcome here, if you think the right way, and fit the mold of the majority of the people here. Otherwise, though, you’ll find condescension and patronization are very easily doled out.

Guess what. I am welcome here because opinions vary. You are also welcome and dont even try to make it sound like you aren't. You are a mod here. That says more for you than it ever will for me. You yourself have just called me out on that trying to play the victim. Quoting things I have said to make it sound as if many have said that, trying to play me as a evil person. I just don't like bachmann and what she stands for. Her social conservatism is bad. Bad. Her fiscal conservatism is also bad. Bad. Saying she is good tells me one has no clue. Especially when we the GLBT would stand to NOT have her elected. Her or any of the cookie cutter people like her.

The irony of it all, the (welcoming!) transgender community with its continued hatred against other groups, would be funny, if it weren’t so sad. Every group needs someone to hate, though, right?

Self loathing is bad too, when one would side up to someone who would destroy them if they had the power. I sure don't hate you or anyone else here. I may really dislike someone but that comes with the role of being very open about ones views. Again, who are you speaking for that isn't welcome? You're a mod, that implies people liked what you had to say and you were made into one.

That’s all I have to say. Feel free to crucify me again.

Whatever floats your boat.

I don't hate anyone here. I don't get why people say that. This is politics. How I feel here does not reflect how I feel about you personally. Life sucks, but only we can make it better. Voting for people who would seek to do you harm can't make it better even if they have a 5 point plan to making the economy gud agin.

[Michelle 2010]

A throw away laugh line pandering to the public. She is more scary in that she denied her husband was trying to "cure" gays until they, the Bachmans, were "outed" and had to fess up. Then she distanced her work from his.

Her, Perry, Romney, Palin are all made for Hollywood pretty telegenic faces with mean spirited ideas. If you want to see their future for America look to places like Brazil, comprised of the rich and the poor with nothing in between. Darwinian culture and economics. Weed out the weak and impure. And, um. guess which side of the purity pool we happen to be on...

Michelle

[JenniferB]

A throw away laugh line pandering to the public. She is more scary in that she denied her husband was trying to "cure" gays until they, the Bachmans, were "outed" and had to fess up. Then she distanced her work from his.

Her, Perry, Romney, Palin are all made for Hollywood pretty telegenic faces with mean spirited ideas. If you want to see their future for America look to places like Brazil, comprised of the rich and the poor with nothing in between. Darwinian culture and economics. Weed out the weak and impure. And, um. guess which side of the purity pool we happen to be on...

Michelle

I don't believe that is totally true Michelle. I think there is an underlying current that emanates to the American Public that there is way too much wasteful spending. IMO much of it has to do with the trillions of dollars spent on trying to stimulate the economy, or the money spent on the healthcare law. I'm not saying whether the healthcare law is good or bad, but a big portion of the public thinks it costs way too much money. The GOP is going to be hard to beat in the next election, even if the candidates are hypocritical, because they are playing to the citizens' fears.

I am not going to go into what I think about the stance of Republicans and Democrats, other than I see valid issues on both sides of the aisle.

I do have a litmus test and that is the candidate can't be an adversary to the LGBT community. Only one GOP candidate has openly supported LGBT rights to a degree and that is Jon Huntsman. But it doesn't appear there is any way he will receive the Republican nomination for president. By their actions, Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, and Romney are showing they are adversaries to the LGBT community and cater to or are part of the social conservatives (I define them as the ones who want to legislate morality). And therefore I feel they will make our lives worse.

Jenny

[Drea]

I appreciate this being moved to the politics forum where it belongs and can be conviently ignored.

I feel bashing any idology is pointless and I will stick by what I said in the other topic. If one can appeal to both sides one can get more of what they want.

Oh, my church? Same thing. Frightful, I know. But then, they’re real people, not a nebulous organization that’s easy to slap a label on.

Again, you found a rare catholic church. I wonder how all those people cast out would feel?

I strongly suspect Jenni would have had the same result in 95% of the other parishes. Acceptance has far more to do with the character of the person transitioning than the ideology of those around the person.

It seems to me that some within the community are so quick to prejudge others that they never give those others half a chance to be accepting.

Who crucified you before, Hon?

How soon people forget...

[Guest Vixen Amber]

I appreciate this being moved to the politics forum where it belongs and can be conviently ignored.

I feel bashing any idology is pointless and I will stick by what I said in the other topic. If one can appeal to both sides one can get more of what they want.

Sadly many want to ignore what is facing them these days.

Oh, my church? Same thing. Frightful, I know. But then, they’re real people, not a nebulous organization that’s easy to slap a label on.

Again, you found a rare catholic church. I wonder how all those people cast out would feel?

I strongly suspect Jenni would have had the same result in 95% of the other parishes. Acceptance has far more to do with the character of the person transitioning than the ideology of those around the person.

Really. I suppose if one hides their identity it could work. Then again I doubt I could stand silent when one is being told they are going to hell, over and over and over, seems to be a recurring theme in many churches I have been perusing since the rights movement gained so much leeway. Hell one of the pastors told me that I wasn't going to be allowed into the congregation because of my status. Didn't even mention being bisexual. Once again I am going to call luck. I think luck plays alot more into real life than some are willing to acknowledge. :/

It seems to me that some within the community are so quick to prejudge others that they never give those others half a chance to be accepting.

Who crucified you before, Hon?

How soon people forget...

Because it should be such a trivial matter in your life. I am not accepted by alot of people I know this. Oh noes? I know for a fact I am a good person, you are too I am sure and so is she. I used to give too much care into what people thought then I realized. I won't ever see that person in real life. Even if I did I wouldn't remember what they said and why I should care. If you feel you are being crucified, get off that cross and let someone else bear it. Life sucks then we die, it is far too short to give a hoot what some internet punk like me thinks of you or vice versa.

[Guest Donna Jean]

I appreciate this being moved to the politics forum where it belongs and can be conviently ignored.

That's not a fair statement several posters said that they would post more if it were here....it's where it belongs!

Who crucified you before, Hon?

How soon people forget...

That's not fair either......Jenni may feel that she was crucified for something and others may not see it that way....Is this in reference to something that happened in the general forums?

In this case, I personally don't understand the reference...

Dee Jay

[Guest ChloëC]

Regarding wasteful spending, please don't ever get the idea or thought that it is a single party issue. All and I mean all money bills have to start in the House of Representatives. It's in the Constitution. The house has been controlled at different times by the two different parties. Spending has never, never abated. It is only re-directed. If spending for war is acceptable then you probably support the Republicans and dislike the Democrats, if spending for those without insurance and jobs is acceptable then you probably support the Democrats and dislike the Republicans. But don't ever think that either party will cut the spending. They will just re-direct it to what they want. The idea of 'balanced budgets' and reduced spending is a pure pipedream made to encourage people to not look at what the real problems are.

We do not need to be in Afghanistan, do we? Bin Laden is dead. We do not need to be in Iraq, there never were weapons of mass destruction. A lot of money can be cut there. But if we pull out, a lot of defense contractors will be out of income and will start laying off thousands of workers. Not a good idea, now, is it?

Of course, you all understand the issues with Social Security, right? How it is funded for the next 20 or so years, possibly more, except for one teeny, tiny, little detail. Congress borrowed all that funding and gave Social Security IOU's fully expecting it to be totally self-supporting for at least the next 10 to 15 years of that 20. The recession ended that pipe dream, so now Social Security is calling in the IOU's. And you'll never guess who doesn't want to pay up. Except Congress isn't calling it IOU's, its calling it unfunded expenditures. What better way to reduce your expenses than to just cut up all your IOU's. People are doing it with their mortgages, why shouldn't Congress do it too? What a laugh.

I see posters are saying that they have read that Bachmann is distancing herself from her husband's occupation of brain-washing GID people. Do any of you actually believe that? Do any of you actually believe when they get together now, they don't mention it at all? How many of you keep secrets from your spouse? How many of you are still married or have a fully open marriage but with secrets? Marriages don't work like that. She knows exactly what he is doing, and her marriage to him is a tacit approval. How many had your spouse distance him or herself from you when they found out? How far is that distance now?

Just some thoughts.

Hugz

Chloë

[Guest sphere]

I think she made it very clear early on that she is incapable of having thoughts.

[JenniferB]

Michele Bachmann is losing support quickly. For all intents and purposes she's done. Rick Perry is now the front runner and will probably receive the nomination. He isn't any better when it comes to LGBT issues.

Jenny

[Carolyn Marie]

Yeah, they are equally appalling in their views on most things. And now we have Sarah Palin waiting in the wings to throw her daughter husband hat into the ring. I can hardly wait.

Carolyn Marie