SRS questions?

[Guest Nova Maria]

So, I was reading, and this article says that Neo-Vaginas don't self lubricate. Is that true? If so, isn't intimacy a bit...difficult?

Also, I'm having a hard time finding reliable info on SRS. Do ya'll know of any good resources I could look into?

Thx! Love you all

Nova

[Guest Leah1026]

So, I was reading, and this article says that Neo-Vaginas don't self lubricate. Is that true? If so, isn't intimacy a bit...difficult?

Also, I'm having a hard time finding reliable info on SRS. Do ya'll know of any good resources I could look into?

Over about a two year period after surgey the donor tissue adapts to it's new location and function. After healing our vaginas DO produce some natural lubrication. However, in most cases not quite enough for intercourse. But, as you may have noticed, Walmart and other stores sell tons of lube. Somebody besides us is buying it, so we are not alone.

Best sources of information are online support forums, surgical blogs and from friends.

[Paula ult]

For information on SRS try the surgeons web sites.

US Surgeons:

http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/ Dr. Mcginn

http://marcibowers.com/ Dr. Bowers

http://www.thetransgendercenter.com/ Dr. Leis

http://www.tmeltzer.com/ Dr. Melzer

http://www.grsmontreal.com/ Dr. Brassard

Thailand Surgeons:

http://www.supornclinic.com/ Dr. Suporn

http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/ Dr. Chettawut

http://phuket-plasticsurgery.com/ Dr. Sanguan

http://www.mdtnguyen.com/ Dr. Nguyen

Paula

[Guest Hayley]

Dr. Bowers told me mine will self lubricate.

[Drea]

So, I was reading, and this article says that Neo-Vaginas don't self lubricate. Is that true? If so, isn't intimacy a bit...difficult?

Yes that is generally accurate, and yes difficult unless one uses some over the counter lube product as already mentioned.

There is a colon section procedure that uses part of your colon that self lubs (all the time). I don't know if the lube from that is sufficient for intercourse. The inference is that it is, but I can't say I recall anyone saying they can. It is a far more invasive procedure.

Dr. Bowers told me mine will self lubricate.

I wasn't aware that Marci does a colon section procedure.

I know she uses some mucosa from urethra, but the amount of secretions there seem to be far to little. It may technically qualify as lubrication, but seems like it would hardly enough for dialating or intercourse.

If Marci is doing something revolutionary there, and you are able to dialate and have intercourse with just your natural lubrication please be sure to let us know. Even if it is a colon section this would be cool as I haven't heard any first hand result positive or negative about that procedure.

[Guest Donna Jean]

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It would be nice if it did self lube!

Dee Jay

[Guest Leah1026]

Dr. Bowers told me mine will self lubricate.

I wasn't aware that Marci does a colon section procedure.

I know she uses some mucosa from urethra, but the amount of secretions there seem to be far to little. It may technically qualify as lubrication, but seems like it would hardly enough for dialating or intercourse.

If Marci is doing something revolutionary there, and you are able to dialate and have intercourse with just your natural lubrication please be sure to let us know. Even if it is a colon section this would be cool as I haven't heard any first hand result positive or negative about that procedure.

Marci does NOT do colon segment SRS. You are under-estimating the donor tissues ability to adapt to it's new location and function. We DO get some natural lubrication. Not as much as other women, but we do have some. In addition some of us get more than others. You also seem to forget that many natal women need extra lube as well.

Colon segment SRS may be self-lubricating, but that surgery has other downsides that make penile inversion a better choice IMO.

[Drea]

Marci does NOT do colon segment SRS

That is what I thought

You are under-estimating the donor tissues ability to adapt to it's new location and function. We DO get some natural lubrication. Not as much as other women, but we do have some. In addition some of us get more than others. You also seem to forget that many natal women need extra lube as well.

I don't believe I am under-estimating anything nor forgetting natal women may need extra lube.

The relevent point (discounting a colon section procecure) is that the amount of natural lubrication most likely won't be enough for intercourse and that some sort of articial lubricant will be needed.

Colon segment SRS may be self-lubricating, but that surgery has other downsides that make penile inversion a better choice IMO.

I wouldn't advocate colon section either.

[Guest Hayley]

You also seem to forget that many natal women need extra lube as well.

Exactly. Many women need added lube, hence the advent of KY!

Colon segment SRS may be self-lubricating, but that surgery has other downsides that make penile inversion a better choice IMO.

Having your vagina smell like DONKEY may be one of them OK I don't know that it's true, but it seems like it would. That or the thought of it being made from something in your butt was more than enough to discourage me :7

[Carolyn Marie]

Having your vagina smell like DONKEY may be one of them OK I don't know that it's true, but it seems like it would. That or the thought of it being made from something in your butt was more than enough to discourage me :7

Gross! This is why I tend to stay away from these threads. I should learn my lesson, but curiosity killed the....you know what.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest kelise]

Mine self lubes in ever increasing amounts. I'm one year post-op

[Guest AiAmAngel]

Dr. Bowers told me mine will self lubricate.

I wasn't aware that Marci does a colon section procedure.

I know she uses some mucosa from urethra, but the amount of secretions there seem to be far to little. It may technically qualify as lubrication, but seems like it would hardly enough for dialating or intercourse.

If Marci is doing something revolutionary there, and you are able to dialate and have intercourse with just your natural lubrication please be sure to let us know. Even if it is a colon section this would be cool as I haven't heard any first hand result positive or negative about that procedure.

Marci does NOT do colon segment SRS. You are under-estimating the donor tissues ability to adapt to it's new location and function. We DO get some natural lubrication. Not as much as other women, but we do have some. In addition some of us get more than others. You also seem to forget that many natal women need extra lube as well.

Colon segment SRS may be self-lubricating, but that surgery has other downsides that make penile inversion a better choice IMO.

Studies done by Masters and Johnson dating all the way back to the 70s note the capability of the neo-vagina to be adequately lubricating and to even outdo some non-transsexual women's self-lubrication. Its all about diligent and careful postoperative care- the kind that takes several years.

As for colon surgery, I definitely do NOT recommend it, unless you find unusual, foul odors leaking out of you to be appealing. Avoid the colon surgery and simply wait it out for a couple of years, you'll have less to worry about than you think.

[Drea]

Could you provide a specific quote or link on that stating that the penile inversion technique is sufficiently self lubricating, even on procedures done all the way back to the 70s?

Marci's office says "Most patients are not able to have natural lubrication. You will need to use a synthetic lubricant for intercourse or dilation" in a recent email.

Of course there is that post orgasmic "lube" if one wants to call it that, but that isn't exactly useful since it isn't present till after...

[Guest AiAmAngel]

Could you provide a specific quote or link on that stating that the penile inversion technique is sufficiently self lubricating, even on procedures done all the way back to the 70s?

Marci's office says "Most patients are not able to have natural lubrication. You will need to use a synthetic lubricant for intercourse or dilation" in a recent email.

Of course there is that post orgasmic "lube" if one wants to call it that, but that isn't exactly useful since it isn't present till after...

I *believe* this one is Masters and Johnson 1961 titled Human Sexual Response around page 261? I don't have a way to access any published material like that online, so I can't fact check. If you find anything additional on it, please let me know in a PM.

That said, this applies almost explicitly after periods of *years*, like 3 to 4. The majority consensus seems to be that you'll need to use lubrication until you feel like you just don't need it, which could be quite a while and warrant the statement that synthetic lubrication will be needed, especially when talking about *dialation* (which shouldn't be quite so urgent years from your surgery date).

[Guest KayJo]

Ok Nova, I don't really know. I'm a CD'er and my knowledge of transition is a bit limited. There are a bunch of responses here that seem to say "sorta, maybe". So my thought for you is - It probably does not matter. If you stroll through your local pharmacy or supermarket, you will find a shelf-full of 'intimate lubricants". 95% of these are purchased by straight cis-couples. Its common for cis-women to begin to "need" lube as menopause begins. No shame in that. As a straight guy (closet CD'er) I stumbled on these products later in life at a point where my partner was beginning that change. What I found was, they transformed the whole experience (in a very positive way) and I wished I'd been smart enough to use them 30 years sooner. They are great, trust me. So, I'd say, don't worry, buy/use a lube. You'll love it and you won't be different than millions of cis-women.

Hugs,

Kay

xx