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[Guest Lesliesoto...]

Hi everyone I'm Leslie so I don't know if u girls know alot about this site the ******* project but for the last couple months I been buying herbal hormones from there *********************** calm and ******* (I know I prob spelt them all wrong but I don't feel like getting out of my cozy bed to get the bottles) so I guess my question is do these herbal hormones work by them selves am I just wasting my money are they just additives to take with chemical hormones. Any way thanks for reading my horrendously written question it's 5am and I can't sleep LOL thanks again xoxoxoxoxoxo

Edited November 1, 2011 by MaryEllen
References to herbal hormones removed per rule #18 of the site Terms and Conditions

[MaryEllen]

Hi Leslie,

Yes we have heard of this project and I'm afraid we cannot endorse it. Herbal hormones are not regulated and there's no way of telling what you are actually getting. To get any effects at all, you would have to take mega-doses and that would be extremely toxic to your system. The risks are stroke, heart attack, blood clots and liver disease. Although there are a few who will tell you that they do work, by and large, they do not. I would advise that you go to a doctor for legal hormone prescriptions. You're wasting your money on these products.

MaryEllen

[Guest Lesliesoto...]

That's wat I was afraid of my altho that is the the proper route to take I really don't think my insurance will cover the therapist or the medication, and I just don't make nearly enough to cover the cost on my own I really don't know what else to do.

Thank you for taking the time to read and help me.

xoxoxo

Leslie

[MaryEllen]

Hi Leslie,

You're welcome. I'd check to see if your insurance would in fact cover therapy. Many will treat for depression caused by gender dysphoria. It's worth a try.

MaryEllen

[Guest Lesliesoto...]

And I'm sry for the original post I should of read the rules and regulations before I posted but I guess I got caught up in the excitement of finding such an amazing on line community.

xoxoxo

Leslie

[JJ]

Leslie,

It is possible that in the long run you would invest less than you are on those useless herbs. There are online therapists that are much less expensive than face to face for the most part. You need to be careful to verify online therapists because there are frauds and fundamentalists posing as therapists out there but the site has a list of verified therapists. They work in different ways so if one won't work for you keep checking with others.

Also many Gender Therapists also charge a sliding fee scale. Therapy is not as expensive as most fear.

And HRT is very inexpensive. I can't remember the exact amount but do remember that it was less than I spend for my thyroid or even the coffee I make each day.

Your biggest expense often is the blood test and those aren't frequent.

I know people talk a lot about the cost of transitioning but often they are referring to the surgery and that IS expensive. Very. But HRT- especially with the new Standards of Care? You can do that cheaper in the long run than trying to get around it and doing dangerous alternatives.

Johnny

[Guest Lesliesoto...]

Thank you jj I never even thought of searching for a online therapist

[MaryEllen]

It's okay, Leslie. By far you're not the only one who didn't check out the rules. As Johnny said, it's probably not as expensive as you might think to go the legal route.

MaryEllen

[JJ]

I forgot to post the link to the online therapists. Sorry.

Here it is:

http://lauras-playground.com/gender_therapists.htm

JJ

[VickySGV]

Leslie, you say you are in Calfornia, and we have some of the best and most reasonable cost options for Gender Therapy, here in several places. L.A., San Diego, and San Francisco all have GLBT centers that have medical and counseling on a sliding scale, and they also have co-operating pharmacies that keep the prices low for the clinic patients. The center down in LA was going to be trying the online counseling via SKYPE, but I do not know if it is running yet. Also, to sell health insurance here in Calif, the insurance companies pretty much have to cover your counseling and your medications under state law. Now that GD is being classified as a medical condition, medications for HRT are just like penicillin or insulin. The SRS may not be covered, but in a couple of years, it may come along. See if you can get a job with the City Of San Francisco, their employees do get SRS covered.

I did try the "herbal approach" back in my CD days (CD can also so mean Crazy ((as in wacko)) Dude) and they tasted awful, and supposedly the ones I was taking were made from non supermarket cuts of cow (no bull) and smelled like them. I tried them for $80.00 worth for a month, and they did nothing but leave a foul taste in my mouth that also limited my social life. (Bad breath) Needless to say, after that experience, ------ well, you get my point. (My co-pay per month is $5.00/prescription for prescribed HRT.)

On MD prescribed HRT, it is so much easier on you that you can ENJOY what the real strength and human intended hormones can do, you are not a Hydrangea or a Calla LIly, or even a corn stalk, which is where phyto estrogens do their best and only reliable work.

Your situation is not hopeless, and welcome aboard here.

[Guest Teacy]

I'm glad I read this post. Before I found the GT I am going to start using, I was considering buying from them. I am glad now I did not and I am planning on doing HRT through my GT if he recommends it.

~Teacy