Hrt

[Guest Emily1]

I am currently 17 years old and am a senior in high school. i hope to (not entirely sure) attend college as a girl. I am just curious about how long you have to be on hormones before there has been enough breast growth that you could pass without wearing padding and people would believe that your chest isn't growing anymore.

Thanks,

Emily

[Sally]

Hi Emily,

No great help on that - the response is always, "Everyone is different and HRT works differently because of age and genetics." No one can tell you how much you will develope or how quickly, remember that puberty for genetic girls lasts about 5 years and the breast development continues throughout - faster at first but still it isn't an over night process.

Sorry I couldn't say, "Three months." But you did come here for information.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest Emily1]

Hi Emily,

No great help on that - the response is always, "Everyone is different and HRT works differently because of age and genetics." No one can tell you how much you will develope or how quickly, remember that puberty for genetic girls lasts about 5 years and the breast development continues throughout - faster at first but still it isn't an over night process.

Sorry I couldn't say, "Three months." But you did come here for information.

Love ya,

Sally

yah, im hoping that itll be done enough that i can pass by fall, but im kinda worried - id rather not wear padding, but id like to pass.

Thanks for your input,

Emily

[Guest silverpetals]

there's a mantra on another forum, which invariably pops up in every thread there.

it's "ymmv" or "your mileage may vary" - basically an expression noting that everybody is different, and will show different responses to the different things that we go through. hrt is one of those things; there are myriad factors that can have such an effect. so to make generalised comments about something so idiosyncratic and individual might be a little too speculative.

but "ymmv" can become kind of irritating to hear all the time, so i'll try and come up with something...

although actually, it's very variable; some trans women will (extremely rarely) reach a c-cup within a year, others will (more commonly) never see larger than an a-cup. the discrepancies are similar with cis women, though it helps that most have had a 'head start' on puberty in comparison.

on hrt, you might start feeling the beginning stages of growth about a month in, perhaps a little more or less. but despite that, no major changes may be visible for a while afterwards, and it seems to take most young trans women at least seven months before they can fill an a-cup.

but, there isn't really any way to predict an 'estimated time of completion' at which "your chest isn't growing anymore", or anything like that. bearing in mind that, even at college age, a lot of cis girls won't be totally 'there' yet; i think that many would have to wait until their early twenties for that. but even before that stage, it's evidently still very possible to be accepted as female.

okay, the next part isn't exactly what you asked about, so i apologise - but i hope it can help with the whole 'passing' thing.

you may have heard this already, but 'passing' is actually achieved mostly from the neck upwards. hopefully it's your face and voice that people will be paying attention to - not your chest.

i'm slightly altering the question, i know - sorry...but perhaps it is those two things that might eventually become more important to you, with regard to acceptance as a girl in college.

as far as hormones affect the face, things can happen pretty quickly at this age.

from what i have seen - though this can't really be taken as trustworthy, facial androgyny seems to come after about three to four months of hrt for most; the definitive 'gender line' tends to be crossed at about six to eight months. some will take much less time to be taken as female by default, and some will take more. oh, that's ymmv again.

anyway, sooner than significant breast growth, there may come a point where you are taken as female regardless.

but maybe it's just a case of reaching the same target with different aspirations by the same route. whichever changes you look for, they will move no faster than or slower than is to be.

physical transition takes a lot of time, but only as long as it needs to. hope that wasn't complete rambling...

[Guest Donna Jean]

Hey, Silver petals......

Great post! Very informative, and while I also get tired of ymmv. Its kind of like "Fasten Your Seat Belts" - it gets old and boring, but, it needs said! I think you put a lot of things in perspective

for many inquisitive young girls out there. Waiting is maddening for some and others are patient for the changes.

Thanks for your input...very good!

HUGGS

Donna Jean

[Guest Karen-1954]

Another good thing for you is the closer to puberty the more effective the hormones.

[Guest Evan_J]

Yep, what they said.

And let the record show, some biogirls boobs have grown even until they're in their early 20's. Its what God gives straight guys in exchange for them losing their hair

[Guest Emily1]

thank you all, particularly silverpetals, for all your input. Yes, i hate ymmv, but i understand that it applies to everything

Thanks again,

Emily

[Guest Elizabeth K]

I have a hard time letting these topics go without butting in. Just starting HRT and at a late time in my life, but having used hormones semi-legally and seeing past results I can make a comment or two here. (PLEASE understand using hormones by prescription and under a Dr's care is the only way to go - I was wrong doing what I did).

I took very small amounts compared to the HRT dosages - I had no t-blockers so it was a real body-battle I suspect. I waited way past my puberty to start.

Still - my results were surprising. With a bit of later life obesity thrown in (body fat actually increases estrogen production in men - but at the risk of other diseases) I have adequate A cup development, and actually almost B. But the cup size is in the projection not the massing behind. So I think I was able to start the development typical of girl puberty but not the follow through of a twenty-year old. I have since lost a ton of weight getting prepared for the real transitioning, a commitment to a lot of other changes, but particulary in diminishing my body mass by at least 20 -25%. I am tall, so I need to be thinner. It is working - but - whew - it takes dedication.

Good news, the girls stayed with me! So I have hopes on the HRT building on that base. But frankly, if I stay like I am but just mass up a bit more breast tissue, I will consider it a real blessing. To be absolutely candid - I want the breasts HRT may give me, but I am more interested in stopping - halting - killing any more 'male" development. I want to be me, not some brute man - but that's another story...

The ole rule is to look at your female relatives, especially your mother - and you may reach her size, less a cup size. The new thinking seems to be to look at everyone in your family. You may take after your dad and he may have some big breasted women in his family. Of coursrse your mother may have had some small breasted women in hers.

So - you won't know until you know.

Seems like a circular argument - and it is.

I did find a great book in a book store of all places (they still sell them there - like the internet, but you get to take the book home that day! Amazing). Anyway, its called "Taking Care of Your Girls," (breasts of course) and it is aimed at the younger developing girl. Since I am actually in girl-puberty (says my therapist) I had to buy it!

It doesn't include transitioning like we T-girls think, but it is certainly about transitioning from girlhood to womanhood, boobywise (is there such a word? nevermind).

It is a WONDERFUL book. If you want to know what it is like to grow breasts naturally, this will tell you. It is also good for telling us newbies to boobies how to maintain the darn things.

I don't have anything to do with the author, publisher, etc - I just like this book.

Oh - I forgot: the book is written by the daughter of a OB-GYN mother. She says (and aughta know) breasts take 2 to 4 years to develop in puberty, and then slow down, gradually getting to full size by age 24. They usually start with puffy aurolas and nipples, and tend to progress to the "bud enlargement" (milk glands) - which confuses girls making them think of a lump on their chest (cancer!) but it is a normal part of the process. Breasts then start projecting out but don't have a fullness behind them. The fullness comes gradually and the breast start to take on weight and shape. Thats a normal process but it can vary.

I hope this helps - you won't have 'the girls" in college if you have this late start, but you will be like a great many a 'natal' girl there - using kleenex stuffed in her bra, and hoping to get a boyfriend to like her enough before she confesses her DD s are actually BB s.

[Guest KristieTS]

Another good thing for you is the closer to puberty the more effective the hormones.

I really dislike reading this kind of thing. While the statement above is true, what good does it serve to say it? No one that is close to puberty is going to have anything to complain about as far as effects of HRT, but those that are older will just feel sadness that we're not going to get as great a benefit in the way of physical changes, just because we are not close to puberty

Kristie