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[Guest Crystal_117]

I know some people may not agree with this but I am attempting a "partial" transition, basically I am in a place (the military) where any outward signs of transition would be a problem. Before any of you voice any concerns for my career, I will be leaving the military in about a year so it's not an issue, I just don't want the hassle involved in "coming out" to them. I figure I can explain away most of the effects of HRT but not breasts, so I am planning on taking ***********to inhibit any breast growth, while the hormones "work their magic" so to speak. I got this idea from my experience as an amateur bodybuilder, it's used to stop gynecomastia in guys who are taking steroids.

So in theory, I should get all of the effects of the hormones sans breast growth, but I also want to maintain fertility, my GF (who is extremely supportive) and I plan on conceiving, we are already going to bank, no worries there. I do however have an idea, this also stems from my experience as a bodybuilder, there are two kinds of hormones that affect the testes, LH and FSH, Luteinizing Hormone and Follicular Stimulating Hormone, the first is the hormone that induces testosterone production, which is obviously undesirable. The second induces spermatogenesis, meaning sperm production, so in theory, I could supplement with FSH drugs and maintain fertility while still enjoying all of the benefits of the rest of HRT.

I am very interested in the internal chemistry of people, always have been, so these are my ideas for possibly solving these two issues, but thoughts are very welcome.

P.S. My greatest wish is female fat distribution, as I said I am an amateur body builder and as thus am extremely lean, around 5% body fat, I pretty much have no more fat to lose, and I am wanting to gain it all back in the right places, how long (in your girl's experience) until all of the delicious carbs I eat start being stored in my butt and thighs instead of my stomach. Thank you so much to anyone who responds. <3

Edited August 26, 2012 by MaryEllen
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[MaryEllen]

That's an interesting theory but one I'm afraid we cannot help you with. We are not medical professionals and because of legalities involved, we cannot dispense medical advice such as you are asking for. The only advice we can give you is to consult with a doctor about your needs. I hope you understand why this has to be so. We're not in a position to be able to afford the costs of a medical malpractice lawsuit.

MaryEllen

[Guest Crystal_117]

Of course, we wouldn't want people to be trading, ya know INFORMATION on the internet, that's just crazy talk.

[Guest LizMarie]

No Crystal, that's not why we have these terms and conditions here. Hormones, when properly regulated by an endocrinologist, can do wonders for a transsexual person. But unregulated they are a very high risk. There is extremely high risk of liver damage and other complications. I've read the general theory behind what you're saying but each specific case is unique because each of us has unique baseline hormone levels, unique liver processing capacities, unique responses to hormones, etc.

You could discuss this with an endocrinologist and they might very well be able to assist you in developing a hormone regiment that would help you achieve your goals. But you can't seriously expect lay persons to be able to make that judgement, nor, because of the uniqueness of what you are proposing, can you expect there to be many others in the same situation (if any!) who could even pass along similar experiences.

It looks, to me, like you posted here expecting an echo chamber positive reinforcement of your plans which appear to involve self-medication. You're not going to get that here. Hormones are serious business. See an endocrinologist, please!

[Guest ~Brenda~]

Very well said Liz.

Love.

Brenda

[Drea]

I would suggest seeking a therapist first and appropriate doctors. It seems to me that underground body building lore probably isn't the best source for medical information. I can see some huge holes in the medical rationale outlined.

P.S. My greatest wish is female fat distribution, as I said I am an amateur body builder and as thus am extremely lean, around 5% body fat, I pretty much have no more fat to lose, and I am wanting to gain it all back in the right places, how long (in your girl's experience) until all of the delicious carbs I eat start being stored in my butt and thighs instead of my stomach.

I would expect from a typical sampling that those who been on hormones for less than a year you would hear positive comments about the level of fat redistribution. While from a sampling of those who been on hormones for more than two years the comments would be more restrained. This is because the level of fat redistribution is typically isn't nearly as much as many would like to believe. It is much easier for someone to see the start of redistribution and imagine it going well at the start whereas after a couple years when it hasn't progressed significantly to continue to subscribe to the wishful thinking.

Now how with what you are thinking of doing, perhaps there would be no fat redistibution.

Another note, if your body fat is very low, yes you may have a point that you will add fat in a more female pattern, but was your fat content always so low? Changing diet and becomming leaner doesn't make fat cells go away and the cells you have won't move. The cells that are there will continue to store fat in the areas they are. If anything it will only be new fat cells that form in the new areas that result in the distribution of fat into other areas. That probably won't happen till the existing cells store some amount of fat in the old areas. Now I always wondered if a tummy tuck where fat cells were surgically removed if that would help redistribution, but that is entirely speculative as all of this is.

Best to talk with a doctor.

[Paula ult]

We are not doctors, or gender therapists, hormones are powerful medications that need to be monitored by a doctor with regular blood tests to make sure they are not doing damage to your body, taking hormones is not like ordering a sandwich at Burger King, you cant say hold the breasts, softening of the skin , or weakening of strength, why start taking hormones now if you are going to take another drug to counteract what the hormones are going to do and maybe jeopardize your health, why not wait until you are out of the military in a year and do it the right way.

Paula

[JJ]

In my experience and from what I have observed the amount of fat redistribution depends on how much fat you put on. The differences I have seen in some people has been night and day while in others it has been minimal.

Because I was on T for almost all of a massive weight loss I lost pretty much all the female areas first. My waist is larger than it has ever been at this weight while my chest and hips are smaller. My hips are 35 inches now. Before when my hips were that size my waist was 21" or 22"-now it is 30". I had been a C cup even 30 lbs lighter than I am now but would barely be an A now because of fat loss in the chest.

Basic physiology dictates that you need to add weight to add fat in female places. Just as I had to lose it to take off fat in female places.

But I agree wholeheartedly with not applying bodybuilding principles to HRT. Not the same thing at all. The effect you are describing is developing breasts from an excess of testosterone being converted to a form of estrogen and the process is different. Very different. Not to mention the possible lethal consequences of mixing powerful drugs. Body builders look great but a lot of them end up with serious health problems. Some end up dead. I suspect you know that too. Each body is unique and reacts differently. Some of those guys who end up sick did nothing different from the guys who end up feeling fine. Besides I have heard taking T orally touted in the body building community still while no medical Dr will consider it because of it's liver toxicity among other things. Consult a Dr -not a community that promotes proven unsafe medical practices.

Johnny

[Charlize]

I have to agree with the others here. Hormones are potentially fatal drugs if used improperly and the end results are possibly weird as well. Why not wait and do it right. Go to a Gt and then an MD who knows the story with these drugs and takes blood tests and keeps an eye on the results. I'm waiting for the right doc who will help me. I've got heart problems and need special care but the same may be the case for you. Self medication is just plain dangerous.

Take it from an ex addict.

Hugs,

Charlie

[Guest]

There is a huge amount of things other than body changes that you can work on. If you need to flip-flop you have to be able to turn female and male on and off at will. That includes thinking, voice, walk, mannerisms, the way you stand. These things will "out" you faster than the wrong bubbles in your T-shirt. OK you know she is in you. Study, watch, LISTEN and learn from women in all age groups. Get an understanding of how a female progresses from a young girl to an old women. You are going to go through all that in a lifetime of HRT and transitioning. Your GF is a supporting example but your spectrum needs to be far more huge. You are going to have deal with these choices daily for the rest of your life. One year without hormones will seem later on in your new life like the time it took to adjust a bra strap. This is a lifelong commitment, but you knew that. Luck on your journey. Jody