Undergarments and Bathrooms

[Guest Silver_Fjord]

Ok, so...apparently with a small bit of work on my posture, and some clothing issues (pants to long) I am decently passing. Here's the fun thing! I bought two sports bras, one XS one M. They are compression bras. So...I though, heck, why not. Wore those, along with cargos, a shirt and an over-shirt (a button up thing in black). Went to a local store, where...the owners knew me instantly. But, they are open minded people and were supportive of me at least. So I was happy about that. There were three other customers in the store. One ignored me. The other two, more or less ignored me until I spoke. Then they did a double take. So...I think they thought I was a male at first? Maybe...hopefully darn it!

Anyway, while there I decided I need to go to an art store and restock on some paint. And...nervous, but determined, I went out as Silver for the first time...in ...years. Heck, high school in 2001 maybe 2003 since I've gone out crossdressed. But, exciedtly a woman came up from behind with these words:
"Excuse me Sir but where is the--"
I barely even heard the rest of the question, and now I don't remember what it was. But the weird thing, I thought, was that she kept referring to me in male specific terms! For a decent while too!! But...after stepping up next to her in a different part of the store she was calling me by female terms. So...I dunno.

But! I have two big questions here:

When out in public I notice that if a guy has to bend over, or has his pants a bit low (heavens forbid showing his entire underwear....I know, sounds like a female thing, but my husband finds this disgusting as well) anyway, if he bends over or has loose pants he does show boxers/band of underwear. My underwear are distinctly female- ruffles, bright colors of yellow purple blue...ok maybe blue isn't that bad but still. Not mens underwear for certain.
I wear a Small or Med depending on the brand in womens. My pants as a guy are a 34 waist. So...does that mean I get a 34 mens underwear as well? Or what? I just plan on going to Walmart and getting a pack of underwear, so nothing fancy there. But I apparently do need to make sure it has that little pouch..thing...in the front as I am seriously considering buying a S. Mr Limpy packer.

Which brings me to my second question:
Packers. Some say they are optional, others say a must. I have a rather...shapely...behind. And I personally feel that without that bulge in front that wearing tighter fitting pants is out of the question. If they are tight, they will show off the curve bottom, but then people will look to the front and see defined that I don't have anything there, so must be a woman. Not what I want. So...yah...packers. BUT STP? Or...well, I want to be able to pass as fully as I can, and I feel that being confident enough to enter the mens room shouldn't be an issue. Heck, I nearly walked in the first time I full felt male! Wasn't dressed right, heck, I had on a push up bra at the time. Hated it, wanted it off so badly. Moving on:
Men, bathroom edict? Is it really weird for a guy to go to the stall to urinate? And if not, what about them sitting down to do so? The STP packers all look like they would be...uncomfortable, to say the least. Like they wouldn't sit up against the body properly or something. So, normal packer and the "equipment" of the STP to go to the stall with and stand?? I'm really confused on this as it was not something I knew about when I first started to dress as a male. I'm not planning on getting any kind of surgery- top or bottom. Least not in the foreseeable future anyway.

[Guest Kayla86]

The restroom situation is something you'll want to be pretty careful with depending on the laws in your area.

Try to use the restroom in stores / restaurants that offer a "family" restroom that doesn't have a men/women sign attached to it.

But if you must go to one and decide to use the men's restroom just keep in mind that some guys are just nervous in public about using the restroom and will go to the stalls but sitting down well that is a bit rare but they don't need to know what you are doing. Hope this helps.

[Guest DianeATL]

Couple of responses for you from someone who tried to pass as male for 50 years ;-)

underwear - I also am a 34 so medium should be the right size for you. Unlike women's clothing where you can be a size 2 in one line and an 10 in another, menswear is pretty true and logical. They use numbers that mean something like 34 inch waist instead of calling that a size 12. Generally 36 would start a large.

I get the focus on packers just like I have a focus on getting some breasts. But from my perspective, it is way over rated. When I get dressed, I make sure I don't show any bulge and I think if you look at men's crotches in an environment other than a gay bar, you will rarely see a bulge in their pants. I find it the exception when I see a guy's junk profile not the rule so if it is important to you to pack please do so, but it won't call you out if your pants drape straight down as they should.

Concerning the restroom, guys don't pay that much attention. If you go in and sit down, they are not going know whether you are sitting to pee or do number 2. I sometimes sit to pee thinking that something else could be possible but end up only peeing. Don't worry about that unless you dropping your pink panties down around your ankles while you do it. ;-) And I have had many women come in and use the men's room because the ladies line was too long. It is kind of a double standard. If a man goes in a ladies room it is call the cops he must be a pervert or rapist. But the reaction I seem to see if a lady comes into the men's room is, that chick is pretty confident and cool. They are more likely to try to get your phone number than call the cops. That is just my experience, but obviously bathroom trips should be made with discretion and speed where you get in, do your business, and get out.

Hope this helps.

Diane

[Guest]

Think of the standing urinals as the express line service, hence no long lines outside. No one checks, wonders or cares who uses the stalls or why. I have sat for twenty years, unless the commodes are so nasty.

Yeah way loose the panties, given the situation I would go for medium boxers, I used to like white, but for you a print may be more camouflaging.

Packers are fine, especially for your own confidence, don't parade a big showy bulge. And be all means don't stand like you are trying to poke it out for show, unless you are fourteen years old. Those are the unmanly and/or womanizing traites that will get you negative attention. Hug. Jody

[Guest Rebecca A]

As everyone else is stating, men in restrooms don't tend to pay attention. So, either way you shouldn't have any issues from going into a stall and sitting to pee. I mean realistically most people go in the restroom to go to the bathroom.

Now everyone else seems to say medium, I'm the same size and I tend to by larges, but it's possible that in guy mode I was just more into the baggy style look or wanted room for my package to breath. I agree with the others in the sense that most men wear panths and outfits that aren't really tight, so the Packer really would be for your own confidence, and depending on the size the 'buldge' may not show depending on the pants anyway.

:: hugs :: Congrats on going out in male mode, your confidence will rise as you do it more often.

[Guest Silver_Fjord]

Thanks everyone for the info everyone. I just figured people looked when someone came into the bathroom. At least that's what I've noticed over the years in the womans bathroom anyway. Also, I was raised with a family that was very strict on the "women in womens, men in mens" Heck, we had gone to a large tourist place when I was younger and a woman from another country accompanied her young boy into the mens bathroom and my father pitched a fit over it. Even wanted to reprimand the woman. Thankfully he didn't. So that was my previous experience with that sort of thing.
I've used singular stall mens bathrooms before when the womans was occupied, but not used the multi-stall/urnial ones before.

As for the packer issue. The pants I currently have, cargos, are one size up than I should probably be wearing. And while I find them very comfy, I worry I look overly sloppy really. Hence the concept of a packer.

Intend on getting some male briefs later this week.

[Guest Scarlett London]

Underwear - tends to be size ranged and will say on the package. I'm 34 and wear medium boxer briefs and they fit comfy. I'm also an XL in panties, but I have more to cover so I'm not sure if that's a good conversion example.

Bathrooms - I guess I'm the only one here that thinks it's douchy for men to pee in a stall. Why? Because they don't put the toilet seat up and when I need to do some real business there is pee all over the seat. I just find it inconsiderate. Also, the --Censored-- in me thinks they are weird for not using the urinals, lol. Anyway, if YOU walk into a stall, sit down, pee and get right back up, the guy(s) in the stalls next to you will take note that you just peed sitting down. You will either have to sit there for a few min or go with the ol' bathroom past time and have a sit-off. Meaning, sit there until the guy next you leaves, then finish up.

Ciao

Scarlett