Russel Moore Explains So. Baptist Convention Reso On TG

[Carolyn Marie]

http://www.brnow.org/News/June-2014/Transgender-stance-needed-wise-Moore-says

Carolyn Marie

[Guest ashleynikole]

WHA?!?!

“The cultural mindset is that gender is something that is constructed by the individual,” Moore said at a news conference after the vote. “So it’s disconnected from how the person is created."

That's not true. Unless this guy is talking about all the people that call TGs crazy and mental. THEY think it's something constructed by the individual. I have yet to meet one TG person who said, "I made myself this way."

The SBC resolution adopted June 10 affirmed “God’s good design that gender identity is determined by biological sex and not by one’s self-perception.”

I'd like to see the scripture that affirms this because I couldn't find it anywhere when I studied. I saw where God created male and female pre-fall but that doesn't specify if that was the sex or gender that the Word is referring to AND it was a perfect world. We do not live in a perfect world anymore so we can not assume that God wanted to keep it that way after the fact.

Moore said the resolution “spoke with conviction about the issue – very clear biblically about God’s design for gender, for sexuality – but also didn’t just speak about transgender persons. It spoke to transgender persons with the message of the redeeming power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I find this interesting because it communicates to me that anyone who deals with gender dysphoria doesn't know Christ and doesn't have an intimate relationship with Him. Obviously untrue as I'm living this conundrum and so are many of my brothers and sisters here. It seems that if you don't look and act like them, you must not know Christ, but that's just my opinion based on my observance of Christians for 20 years living among them.

“It took courage to tackle an issue which will almost certainly be misrepresented and misunderstood even though it is factually accurate and ultimately more compassionate than those who would oppose it,” Stith said in a statement to Baptist Press. “It is always a more loving way to point to God’s plan for His creation. The author of confusion has from the beginning sought to cast doubt on God’s intentions, and the massive sexual disorientation rampant in our world today demonstrates that this tactic is still effective.

Okay, this quote bothers me to no end because it's what I hear all the time from the Christians I've come out to. I always respond to them the same way. When it's just me and God, me and Jesus, me and the Holy Spirit, I am not confused. I am peaceful, confident and ultimately happy with who I am. But when I start talking to God's followers, THAT is when the confusion comes in. I tell people all the time, "I'm only confused when I'm around other Christians." Not sure about anyone else, but if I was going to take down someone I perceived to be an enemy, I would do it from the inside out by creating confusion and mischief within the very organization I wanted to take down. After all, if THEY are divided, they are so much easier to mess up.

“We cannot continue to ignore these issues or issue occasional comments in sermons and think that this will prepare Christians for these challenges,” Stith said. “I pray that our churches will study this resolution carefully and seek wise counsel in helping to prepare our members to adequately defend these truths in the marketplace of ideas.”

I pray that your churches will study GOD'S WORD deeply and carefully, as well as taking what medical science can prove over and over as another piece of evidence, and seek for themselves the answers to this vast universe that He created and all that is in it. I would be weary of any organization that would tell people to study their resolutions more than God's Word.

On behalf of Jesus Christ (who really doesn't need me as an ambassador, but has asked if I would be), the people talking in this article and throughout these denominations do not always represent Him accordingly and should be taken with a grain of salt. After all, Jesus was persecuted by the very people who claimed His Father as their God.

:: steps off soapbox ::

Ashley

[Guest Sarah Faith]

WHA?!?!

“The cultural mindset is that gender is something that is constructed by the individual,” Moore said at a news conference after the vote. “So it’s disconnected from how the person is created."

That's not true. Unless this guy is talking about all the people that call TGs crazy and mental. THEY think it's something constructed by the individual. I have yet to meet one TG person who said, "I made myself this way."

The SBC resolution adopted June 10 affirmed “God’s good design that gender identity is determined by biological sex and not by one’s self-perception.”

I'd like to see the scripture that affirms this because I couldn't find it anywhere when I studied. I saw where God created male and female pre-fall but that doesn't specify if that was the sex or gender that the Word is referring to AND it was a perfect world. We do not live in a perfect world anymore so we can not assume that God wanted to keep it that way after the fact.

Moore said the resolution “spoke with conviction about the issue – very clear biblically about God’s design for gender, for sexuality – but also didn’t just speak about transgender persons. It spoke to transgender persons with the message of the redeeming power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I find this interesting because it communicates to me that anyone who deals with gender dysphoria doesn't know Christ and doesn't have an intimate relationship with Him. Obviously untrue as I'm living this conundrum and so are many of my brothers and sisters here. It seems that if you don't look and act like them, you must not know Christ, but that's just my opinion based on my observance of Christians for 20 years living among them.

“It took courage to tackle an issue which will almost certainly be misrepresented and misunderstood even though it is factually accurate and ultimately more compassionate than those who would oppose it,” Stith said in a statement to Baptist Press. “It is always a more loving way to point to God’s plan for His creation. The author of confusion has from the beginning sought to cast doubt on God’s intentions, and the massive sexual disorientation rampant in our world today demonstrates that this tactic is still effective.

Okay, this quote bothers me to no end because it's what I hear all the time from the Christians I've come out to. I always respond to them the same way. When it's just me and God, me and Jesus, me and the Holy Spirit, I am not confused. I am peaceful, confident and ultimately happy with who I am. But when I start talking to God's followers, THAT is when the confusion comes in. I tell people all the time, "I'm only confused when I'm around other Christians." Not sure about anyone else, but if I was going to take down someone I perceived to be an enemy, I would do it from the inside out by creating confusion and mischief within the very organization I wanted to take down. After all, if THEY are divided, they are so much easier to mess up.

“We cannot continue to ignore these issues or issue occasional comments in sermons and think that this will prepare Christians for these challenges,” Stith said. “I pray that our churches will study this resolution carefully and seek wise counsel in helping to prepare our members to adequately defend these truths in the marketplace of ideas.”

I pray that your churches will study GOD'S WORD deeply and carefully, as well as taking what medical science can prove over and over as another piece of evidence, and seek for themselves the answers to this vast universe that He created and all that is in it. I would be weary of any organization that would tell people to study their resolutions more than God's Word.

On behalf of Jesus Christ (who really doesn't need me as an ambassador, but has asked if I would be), the people talking in this article and throughout these denominations do not always represent Him accordingly and should be taken with a grain of salt. After all, Jesus was persecuted by the very people who claimed His Father as their God.

:: steps off soapbox ::

Ashley

Well I haven't had that many of my Religious family completely and permanently turn their back on me. Yes I've received a few of the "Your just confused" type answers before, but I know the bible extremely well and I still identify as Christian my self even though I avoid Organized religion all together. Something I learned a long time ago and wasn't at all related to trans issues.. is that many will use their religion (regardless if its Jewish, Christian, Islam, etc) and twist it to fit their personal or political ideology. These people then take their twisted version of that religion and spread it to others to enact the kind of social thinking or change they desire. Strictly speaking for Christianity the bible does speak about this actually, about the wolves among the sheep who claim to follow the word of god but in reality they are completely deaf to it.

In dealing with my friends and family who are religious and had a negative view of my transition I was patient with them. I didn't get mad at them, I didn't rant at them and try to put them on the defensive.. I simply had calm rational discussions about the Bible and religion in general. Here I am 5 years later and nobody in my family hates me. thinks I am going to hell, or that I am extremely confused. Even my great grandfather who is 92, southern baptist, and one of the most religious people I have ever met thinks that at this point.

You can't confront hate with more hate, or even anger.. I know that is our knee jerk instinct, I know that's what the activists out there say you should do... But in practice all you do is put people on the defensive and make them dig in even more to their own positions. Sometimes you also have to accept that some people will never change their mind, and all can do is calmly counter their message by our own actions and by demonstrating to others that we are not some kind of confused horde of sinners.

[Guest Brenda Hailey]

---"[W]e have to be prepared to give a witness and to give an answer from the scripture on that.”----

In other words [They] need to scour their bibles and come up with some interpretations that will allow for their own brand of bigotry,to justify their agenda of my Gender being determined by which they say it is.

With friendly loving caring church folk like that who needs enemies?


---- SBC resolution,,,,, "It stresses God’s design and intent as well as hope and compassion.”----

So now these people think they are the ones who judge God's design and intent for my life? Hope and compassion is only agreed upon if I bend to their idiotic interpretations,otherwise its to hell I go.

Funny how the transgender community can find so much time to fight themselves over silly word usages when there are millions of people out their who have designs on showing the world how "wrong" being transgender is and want nothing more than to squash it as a right to life,but squabbling over game show seems more important I guess.

-----In addition, the resolution opposed attempts to change a person’s “bodily identity” through such treatments as gender reassignment surgery.------

So I wonder why the same is not true for those church folk who opt to have surgery to remove Cancer or other organ or appendage ailments as it must clearly be Gods will and bodily identity they are to be cancerous beings till death just as God made them ---right?

Dont think I will become a Southern Baptist any time soon.

[VickySGV]

By their reasoning, the mega $quadrillion or greater medical care industry should be shut down, and grandpa needs to destroy his store bought teeth, and wearing reading glasses, even for reading the Bible should warrant stoning to death. OK I get it. I'll go out and buy the gravel quarry down the road, it will not longer be needed for road material, but useful for use on the dispatch of the ungodly.

I can use hyperbole to silly ends myself, they are not alone.