Bathroom controversy.

[Guest]

Might be already posted.

All I can say is wow. Are there no stalls in these bathrooms? What privacy is being lost? And did I misinterpret what was being said? It sounds like everyone in the video is under the impression child expositioniay rapists are being allowed inside the bathrooms.

[Charlize]

Pacific Justice???

Hugs,

Charlize

[Guest Kenna Dixon]

Consider the source:

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/10/17/2797141/pacific-justice-institute-invented-transgender/

[Guest Kayla Grace]

This is appauling. I sat here, for 4 minutes, listening to people whine about the smallest problem ever. THEY are uncomfortable? Imagine how he feels. He's going to get stared at, judged, and scorned because he's been given special rights being transgender. The fact that they are making a big deal out of this just yanks my chain.

It's not like he's staring at them naked, or peeping through the stalls. He's just trying to be a girl.

Good God. Grow up people.

[Guest LizMarie]

Natalya, a quibble - the child in the video identifies as female therefore, here at Laura's we would use female pronouns for that person. It's a simple matter of respect.

[tracy_j]

Perhaps a bit of an abstraction but it is interesting how children often mix freely pre-school without worry then are pushed into segregation! Like my thinking that it is often a confident mother who has the peaceful baby is it the understanding mother who also has the understanding unworried child?

It's how I see it anyway

Tracy

[Guest lingshen]

watching that video made me pretty mad. reading the ignorant comments made me furious. Those girls sounded like they were coached into saying what they did.

Like, seriously... get a grip! Its the adults who have the fear, not the children!

[Guest April63]

I think there may be a valid point concerning the locker room but not with ordinary bathrooms. People do change, with varying degrees of public exposure, in the locker rooms, and I can understand that some may not feel comfortable doing so in the presence of someone of the opposite biological sex regardless of the gender with which that person identifies. It's a tricky issue.

April

[Guest LizMarie]

Locker rooms and bathrooms are two different things though. There should be zero reason to keep her out of a bathroom, and accommodations could be made for locker rooms.

[Carolyn Marie]

When it comes to locker rooms, many non-trans folks fail to realize that we are just as uncomfortable in those situations as they are, if not more so. Why would a teen or young adult want others to see their bodily "flaws?" It goes back to the whole idea that men or boys will pretend to be trans just so they can "peep." Utter rubbish!

Carolyn Marie

[Guest lingshen]

Usually locker rooms have changing rooms, or at least a couple of bathrooms stalls. She could always use them. I know when I was on swim team for years, we always showered with swim suits on and most people changed in the bathroom stalls. I will just never understand this fear people have of nudity.

[Guest Kayla Grace]

Locker rooms and bathrooms are two different things though. There should be zero reason to keep her out of a bathroom, and accommodations could be made for locker rooms.

This right here ^

The only problem I saw was with locker rooms. Bathrooms have stalls for a reason. The urinals have more of a chance to peep then stalls ... maybe you could peep through a stall crevice in a stall, but you won't see anything.

Natalya <3

[VickySGV]

When it comes to locker rooms, many non-trans folks fail to realize that we are just as uncomfortable in those situations as they are, if not more so. Why would a teen or young adult want others to see their bodily "flaws?" It goes back to the whole idea that men or boys will pretend to be trans just so they can "peep." Utter rubbish!

Carolyn Marie

I can totally relate to this, even while trying to think Cis (what else was there when I was a teen??) the idea of "peeping" was abhorrent. I had one advantage I suppose in that I had sisters close enough in age that we even shared tub baths at young ages, so I knew what girls looked like, and if I really wanted a better look, my mom's nursing text books were better than my dad's adult mags. The nursing books gave the science, and I loved learning more than lusting. Teach real life anatomy younger than we do and get the "dirty" curiosity element out of things. It would be worth the public cost to have ADULT educations on how to "Talk To The Kids About Human Anatomy" <rant termination> -----

[Guest LizMarie]

When it comes to locker rooms, many non-trans folks fail to realize that we are just as uncomfortable in those situations as they are, if not more so. Why would a teen or young adult want others to see their bodily "flaws?" It goes back to the whole idea that men or boys will pretend to be trans just so they can "peep." Utter rubbish!

Carolyn Marie

Ding! Ding! Ding! I am totally uncomfortable around other women in that situation. I've shared a hotel room with two of my best cisgender friends and both have paraded around the room semi-nude at points but I avoid that and they completely understand why. One even said to me 'Someday you're going to walk out of one of those bathrooms completely nude and it won't bother you with us here." I grinned and replied "Someday." And the other chimed in with, "Yep, after Thailand." They both know and understand my discomfort.

[Guest Ky_Ki]

When it comes to locker rooms, many non-trans folks fail to realize that we are just as uncomfortable in those situations as they are, if not more so. Why would a teen or young adult want others to see their bodily "flaws?" It goes back to the whole idea that men or boys will pretend to be trans just so they can "peep." Utter rubbish!

Carolyn Marie

Ding! Ding! Ding! I am totally uncomfortable around other women in that situation. I've shared a hotel room with two of my best cisgender friends and both have paraded around the room semi-nude at points but I avoid that and they completely understand why. One even said to me 'Someday you're going to walk out of one of those bathrooms completely nude and it won't bother you with us here." I grinned and replied "Someday." And the other chimed in with, "Yep, after Thailand." They both know and understand my discomfort.

This is actually interesting...I've always had a very intense fear/discomfort with being in any state of undress around others, even if it was just male dressing/locker room...in fact that almost seemed worse. Thinking to myself, I don't feel like this would be the same if I had different anatomy...hmm

[Guest Kenna Dixon]

I'll confess to looking for problems when there may not be any.

At the office where I volunteer, I avoid using the women's rest room. I've done it before elsewhere, but this is such a wonderful situation for me that don't want to chance causing anyone unnecessary discomfort. I know...I have a right to be in there. But I can choose not to be, also.

I'm there only three hours at a time, plus a thirty-minute commute both ways. So it's manageable if I forgo my morning coffee. The two women I work closely with are aware of my concern, and one of them jokingly tries to ply me with water so I'll have to go.

[tracy_j]

I can understand the locker room issue being a problem with many people but I think my main concern is with embarrassment to / of others. I have always felt far less uncomfortable with being partially (or even totally) undressed with women than with men. It is at first unusual when swiming with mixed showers (with costume on) and the stalls for changing but soon feels natural

Tracy

[Guest LizMarie]

Kira, I was always uncomfortable around other males in locker rooms as well. But that was years ago. At nearly 27 months on HRT, I like where my body is going now and though I don't identify as an exhibitionist, I'm becoming less and less uncomfortable with my body... minus certain parts that are still problematic for me.