Gov. Christie (NJ) Again Vetoes Birth Cert Change Bill

[Carolyn Marie]

http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/gov.-chris-christie-vetoes-another-important-bill-for-transgender-new-jerse

Here is Gov.Christie's veto statement:

http://www.nj.gov/governor/news/news/552015/pdf/20150810b/S1195AV.PDF

I think the legislature should accept his challenge and resubmit the bill with whatever reasonable "safeguards" he requires. Then we'll see if its really about the safeguards, or about politics.

Carolyn Marie

[Drea]

[i think the legislature should accept his challenge and resubmit the bill with whatever reasonable "safeguards" he requires. Then we'll see if its really about the safeguards, or about politics.

I would just like to know what safeguards those are. For all we know it would be a safeguard against someone getting it altered without SRS.

As far as politics, I expect sending him the bill again without addressing whatever concerns was politically motivated in order to claim he vetoed it twice.

[VickySGV]

It won't happen, but better yet would be to override his veto as is.

[Carolyn Marie]

More from Gov. Christie:

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/transgender_bill_christie_vetoed_went_beyond_the_p.html

From his comments, its very clear (to me, at least) that his objections to the bill have nothing to do with "safeguards" and everything to do with the idea that one isn't a proven trans person until they have surgery, as well as election year politics.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest DesiB]

You still can't correct a birth certificate in Ohio even after GCS! So I can't get too excited about my governor (Kasich) going to a gay wedding and talking about God's unconditional love.

[Charlize]

This is strictly politics for Christie. He only used the pocket veto during his reelection campaign for governor. The GLBT community in the state was actually something of a threat and he wanted big win numbers to help his chances with a run for president. Now he need conservative votes.

Yesterday's surgery gets me a new birth certificate but many can't do that for many reasons. I simply hate the man's politics.

Here is a thread concerning his veto from a few days ago:

http://forum.lauras-playground.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=68024

Hugs,

Charlize

[Drea]

Realistically, of all documents, unless one has a felon record that precludes getting a passport, a birth certificate isn't particularly necessary.

[Carolyn Marie]

Realistically, of all documents, unless one has a felon record that precludes getting a passport, a birth certificate isn't particularly necessary.

For a lot of folks, it isn't whether its necessary. It is the process of feeling complete and leaving that other person and that other life behind. It is a psychological benefit which can be very important to many. Frankly, there just isn't any good reason not to change the law which has served folks in other states so well.

Carolyn Marie

[Drea]

Realistically, of all documents, unless one has a felon record that precludes getting a passport, a birth certificate isn't particularly necessary.

For a lot of folks, it isn't whether its necessary. It is the process of feeling complete and leaving that other person and that other life behind. It is a psychological benefit which can be very important to many. Frankly, there just isn't any good reason not to change the law which has served folks in other states so well.

I don't disagree with that Carolyn although I would suggest resolving the internal issues that cause that need.

I was just noting, for those who might feel the world is coming to an end that it isn't the end of the world.

[Guest DesiB]

I just tell people I don't have a birth certificate and I can't get one. I refuse to use one with the wrong information on it. Still, I have it hanging over my head that a time will come when, for some reason, there will be a demand for it. I just don't know. If that time comes, I will be screwed. Yes, I have that "give me liberty or give me death" mentality. So maybe the world will come to an end, when it comes down to it. I hope not.

[Guest]

I was just noting, for those who might feel the world is coming to an end that it isn't the end of the world.

Thank you Drea for this much needed belly laugh. Your timing is impeccable. Giggle. JodyAnn

[Guest]

I just tell people I don't have a birth certificate and I can't get one. I refuse to use one with the wrong information on it. Still, I have it hanging over my head that a time will come when, for some reason, there will be a demand for it. I just don't know. If that time comes, I will be screwed. Yes, I have that "give me liberty or give me death" mentality. So maybe the world will come to an end, when it comes down to it. I hope not.

I am adopted and my birth certificate is an Ohio sealed court document, therefore I'm not at liberty to show you the certificate. Here, please use my United States of America federal passport as the verification you seek. If you have any concerns of the validity of that option, I will gladly contact the EEOC for your verification.

Two can play at that game! It's all very true. Ohio gives me the same grief, but they sealed the documents. Touche!

I have a Durable Power of Attorney, for my half brother. He has requested that his name or personal information not be referenced into any processes not related to hiring him.

"Dear Gov. Chrissy, Please correct my spelling. I think you are a doof barg. Please grow a human spine, preferably one with a brain attached!" I wouldn't hug you if you were doused in hand sanitizer. Blyuck... That's Miss Jody to you little boy.

[Charlize]

"Dear Gov. Chrissy, Please correct my spelling. I think you are a doof barg. Please grow a human spine, preferably one with a brain attached!" I wouldn't hug you if you were doused in hand sanitizer. Blyuck... That's Miss Jody to you little boy.

Thanks JodyAnn.

Drea, It is certainly true that a birth certificate isn't necessary. I'm not sure i will bother to get mine changed even though i can even by our govenator's rules. It is more the matter of an overall attitude that the man is showing. I do hope we don't get him or anyone sharing his views in the White House.

Hugs,

Charlize

[Guest sydney]

You still can't correct a birth certificate in Ohio even after GCS! So I can't get too excited about my governor (Kasich) going to a gay wedding and talking about God's unconditional love.

TN is the same way and there is even a law on the books from the late 1970's that says it's illegal to change the gender of a birth certificate as a result of surgery. Whereas Ohio refuses to have a policy to allow a change.

I just tell people I don't have a birth certificate and I can't get one. I refuse to use one with the wrong information on it. Still, I have it hanging over my head that a time will come when, for some reason, there will be a demand for it. I just don't know. If that time comes, I will be screwed. Yes, I have that "give me liberty or give me death" mentality. So maybe the world will come to an end, when it comes down to it. I hope not.

I just keep my passport current and no issues. A passport trumps a birth certificate for required documents anytime. So I just make sure I keep it up to date. As for as I'm concerned, my TN birth certificate will never see the light of day since my passport has all the correct information.

[Cyndee]

This sounds just like typical US politics in NJ and so predictable (Christie looks like a real dork to me), sorry for those that live there.

Regarding birth cert. It's the paper change I do want. It's really not for the here and now and has no real practical benefit that I can imagine at this moment. Like others I have a US passport with female for that. I want this change for her legacy. Think of all those data miners out there that access public records and you get the idea. Someday in the future others may link my birth record to something (maybe not), as my ashes are being scattered, her memory lives on, she was born, and she lived one day. That's what matters to me regarding a birth cert record update, and it's not a lot of $$ to do it either. I also have estate documents prepared that help with her legacy as well. It makes me sad when I read about those that die and have their true identity erased by others, really sad.

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