A Different Viewpoint On the TG Suicide Rate

[Carolyn Marie]

http://www.crossmap.com/news/the-transgender-suicide-epidemic-is-accepting-their-confusion-really-the-answer-20482

Deliberate misinterpretation of the facts regarding TG suicide rates? You decide. I'm too busy being angry.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest]

they leave some facts behind, they take the facts that fit what they want to write.

I can write an article on anything and defend any arguments with that kind of logic.

But I would like to see actual statistics on SRS. Are people who go trough this happier in the long run?

That's a question I don't have an answer to and the real answer is of interest to me.

[Guest]

A moderator on a transgender community interested in SRS statistics to know if it's a good thing. What????

I must moderate myself and soon!

[Carolyn Marie]

Nothing wrong with wanting facts, Soliloque. But with this subject, they are not so easy to come by. At least, not accurate, up to date facts. Perhaps the new survey will help with that deficit.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest]

Well that was nice steaming pile of horse apples server in warm salty honey sauce.

[Drea]

Well you know there is a certain bias when it starts out stating "gender confusion".

It seems they are using the numbers the trans advocates like to remind folks of, the high suicide attempt rate, against trans people. Numbers which are acknowledged as probably over stating the actual attempted suicide rate.

It also presents facts that are convenient to their point of view.

I do find reason for concern.

There has been a change in terms of the types of people transitioning.

There has been a change in terms of the types of folks who are having SRS

Therapy which used to be a pretty standard staple seems to be more on the sidelines than ever. People getting to SRS with half a dozen therapy sessions would have once been unheard, one sort of expected that many and often twice that many just to get hormones. Some folks are getting little more than a per forma screening.

More and more I see folks carrying issues into postie life that would have been better off resolving before hand.

I am not saying things were great in the past. I do think folks were getting help they really did need and that isn't happening as regularly now. Without resolving the other issues it will leave lots of post transition folks with the same issues and make it appear that this transition stuff isn't effective treatment.

That will tend to de-legitimatize transition as a treatment.

On the subject of regret

[Guest Kaylee]

Pft!!!

Not rven worth getting bothered about. It's obvious the facts are skewed, and the story slanted.

I couldn't care less

Hugs,

Kay

[Guest]

Well you know there is a certain bias when it starts out stating "gender confusion".

It seems they are using the numbers the trans advocates like to remind folks of, the high suicide attempt rate, against trans people. Numbers which are acknowledged as probably over stating the actual attempted suicide rate.

It also presents facts that are convenient to their point of view.

I do find reason for concern.

There has been a change in terms of the types of people transitioning.

There has been a change in terms of the types of folks who are having SRS

Therapy which used to be a pretty standard staple seems to be more on the sidelines than ever. People getting to SRS with half a dozen therapy sessions would have once been unheard, one sort of expected that many and often twice that many just to get hormones. Some folks are getting little more than a per forma screening.

More and more I see folks carrying issues into postie life that would have been better off resolving before hand.

I am not saying things were great in the past. I do think folks were getting help they really did need and that isn't happening as regularly now. Without resolving the other issues it will leave lots of post transition folks with the same issues and make it appear that this transition stuff isn't effective treatment.

That will tend to de-legitimatize transition as a treatment.

On the subject of regret

I sing in your choir Drea. The only reason I was ever fast tracked was because I had worked through many critical issues. I was bootlegging my hormones (I never recommend that), I was well under way and blossoming. Living full time raising two well adjusted kids as a single mom. My journey is an exception and should never become the rule. Most of the help I received was after the fact. I was over one year RLT before I knocked on anybody's door.

I did over a solid year of research in all areas of female and transitioning with my eyes and ears open before I opened my mouth to anyone and I knew that I could and how to, live the rest of my life as a woman. I am that sure of MYSELF, and wager any outcome results.

I am frightened for many that can only look ahead six months, or one year, or even five years or ten. Ladies and Gentlemen this is a forever lifetime deal and a hugely difficult challenge. Suicide makes it the final lifetime decision, just a short lifetime. What a waste! Learn about being a Genie, BEFORE you let the genie out of the bottle. Happy Journey. Bow. JodyAnn

[Guest]

I do find reason for concern.

There has been a change in terms of the types of people transitioning.

- What types of people was transitionning before and what kind transition now?

There has been a change in terms of the types of folks who are having SRS

- What kind of change, just the number of therapy to get there or is there more then that?

Therapy which used to be a pretty standard staple seems to be more on the sidelines than ever. People getting to SRS with half a dozen therapy sessions would have once been unheard, one sort of expected that many and often twice that many just to get hormones. Some folks are getting little more than a per forma screening.

- half a dozen therapy before SRS? Wow, that seem so low.

More and more I see folks carrying issues into postie life that would have been better off resolving before hand.

- What kind of issues are better to resolve before? I heard my therapists talk about this but with absolutely no details on what kind of issues.

I am not saying things were great in the past. I do think folks were getting help they really did need and that isn't happening as regularly now. Without resolving the other issues it will leave lots of post transition folks with the same issues and make it appear that this transition stuff isn't effective treatment.

- I heard quite a number of people who transitionned in the past and that after a number of years post SRS really regret doing this.

You think that people who transition now will make it appear like it's not an effective treatment?

That will tend to de-legitimatize transition as a treatment.

- one of my therapist said that transition as the recognized treatment is relatively new. Ok, he's been helping transgender people for something like 40 years.

But is transition really on it's way to be deligitimized?? Because if nobody is saying it and if everybody is acting like it's a good treatment on such small basis (when a couple of transgender people who want to go to fast hypothetically would deligitimized it)

then we lead fragile people on a roller coaster without serious evidence that it's good to do so.

I find what you say alarming. I've read a loooot about everything regarding transition and SRS. I think i've had two really good therapists. But sometimes I find how specialists keep updated with our issues strange.

I will never pretend like i'm a specialist and in the end I depend on them to give me the best treatment possible. Sometimes the way people talk make it seem like all of this is based on incomplete statistics and

it the honesty of a couple of transgender people. I don't want to go trough with SRS if the specialists and the healthcare system base itself on nothing.

[Guest Opal]

Its sounds either ignorant of, or dismissive of, years of research by the APA and the AMA.

Yet another thinly veiled push for conversion therapy.

Sad.

[Guest Raya]

Well, I believe there is a distinction that is overlooked- the suicidal rates before acceptance/transition vs. after.

My suicidal ideation, drinking, etc. was before coming to acceptance or beginning transition.

As to conversion therapy, I tried 5 years of "religious" groups to overcome, and it did not work.

Acceptance works, denial doesnt.

[Guest April Kristie]

You all are missing the point here, this is merely propaganda from another so called Christian organization. Making this not even worthy of any discussion, I did a search on ARIF the Aggressive Research intelligence Facility in the UK, this site stated it had four members!

Who made recommendations on the medical world. Hardly worthy of postulating on T folks, a bunch of horse feathers here. Pure tripe, do not believe everything you see on the web.

[VickySGV]

I am not even going to TRY to conceal my disgust for the primary article here. It is alarmist, and it has juxtaposed numbers and authorities for those numbers so that they seem to mean the opposite of what is reality. The high and morbid numbers are from the "before" phase of treatment by proven therapies, and going into the literature which can be found in posts here at LP dating back all the years I have been here, those therapies work to significantly bring Trans* folk into risk levels as low or lower than the Cis public. An overlooked item is that increased visibility and communication sources for medical professionals does bring the elapsed time from initial presentation to a reasonable and professional recommendation to a much earlier tipping point, and can expedite diagnoses that will result in the LEAST INVASIVE program for treatment. There are recent studies that show a long term rate of success with VERY tiny numbers of those who regret full medical Transition. Get the freaking numbers in the right order and use all of them damn it.

We are a vulnerable population for anxiety and self doubt about all of this and it is based on social construction that is geared to our destruction. The good news is that the majority of our regret will be based on what others keep demanding of us if we let it. Our change does little enough in the long run to really disrupt the natural order of the universe.

[Guest Jamie61]

How biased people report on transgender issues, especially this most sensitive one, is not a surprise. It is also very de-humanizing and robs dignity from valuable people, driven to a terribly sad end because of hate, conversion therapy, hopelessness, poverty, violence, harassment and rejection. I think if the authors of this type of article could experience or at least have empathy for the experiences that trans-people face, they might realize that the real story here is a human question, how do we make welcome and protect others so this number can be reduced.

Many good points raised in previous post here.

Pray for understanding,

Jamie