Estrogen Pills vs patches

[Guest Born2RockOn]

Hi,

I had a question about estrogen patches is it just as effective as the pills? My doctor changed be from a low dose of estradiol pills to Mylan patches lowest dose twice a week due to possible side effects of the pills. I just don't why my doctor put me on such a small dose. Can the patches still be effective at a small dose with finastride. I can't take spiro due to complications,

Thanks

[VickySGV]

I was taken off a very low dose of oral E that I had been on since July of 2009 recently due to a blood clot in my leg that developed at 6 years and 3 months. Most of my transitioning partners in crime that had higher doses felt that my level would be ineffective due to its lack of size. By two years or less, I had breast size that equaled one sister's size, and exceeded the other sister's size, I have a womanly figure and hair patterns on my body, and actually even my beard hair became finer in texture to the point I really do not have a shadow any more. None of my cohorts got anything seriously better that could not have been predicted by looking at family members, which annoyed them to the point of having Breast Augmentation in three cases, and some FFS in another couple. I inquired about FFS and was told to save money since my facial features were within a range of normal to good for women. My Endo has kept track of me and her other patients, and will be twisting arms for the lower doses as time comes.

In a few months, when we are sure my blood clot has cleared out, my Endo and my ObGyn will put me on the patches at the equivalent dose I had been on orally, since the patch is now proven safer that way. Remember that natal females take nearly 9 years to fully mature on their hormones (I was the single father of two daughters who had to put up with them during their puberty so I have experience watching that). Trust your doctor on their wisdom about your meds. We have people who have tried to hurry the job and no longer can hurry anything.

[Guest KerryUK]

I'm on patches twice weekly and they are fine for me. I've been on them for 2 1/2 years now and my body is still changing/developing. I've got b boobs and hips - so I can say that they do work. Don't rush and let nature take her course.

[Cyndee]

I used patches (Vivelle-Dot) for 14 months, they were easy to use and convenient, kinda pricey even with insurance. Blood E numbers never reached female levels with them, I had problems absorbing enough E using this method. Switch to injections a bit over 3 years ago, and love my curves....

C -

[TrueSelf]

Always keep in mind how many years it takes biological girls to develop fully during puberty. And yes: Just like them we tend to be impatient.

[Charlize]

I'm also using patches with a low dose now due to the safety. From what i understand excess E doesn't make things faster or better just more dangerous.

Hugs,

Charlize

[Guest AllisonRae]

Hi, I have been on the Estrodial patch, started weekly and at the beginning of December I was upped to twice a week. It has worked great for me, getting breast development and my hips and thighs look wonderful! I know the patch is easier on your liver plus I have issue with injections (I faint). Be patient and let the magic happen!

Hugs

Allison

[Guest]

I echo the have patience in second puberty. By all means keep tabs on your hormone levels. Anything within normal pre menopausal female should work fine.

I started on oral and now long time home injections, so I'm no authority on patches. Hug. JodyAnn

[Guest Kenna Dixon]

Do be aware that clots can develop from use of the patch, and there may be no warning until it's too late.

Had I not mentioned an episode of sudden shortness of breath to a nurse during a routine doctor visit, I wouldn't be here to tell the story. I was walking around with binary pulmonary embolism. They sent me right to the ER.

That was in January, after ten years of being on transdermal estradiol exclusively and under a doctor's care.

[VickySGV]

Kenna, my Endocrinologist doubts that my blood clot was caused exclusively by my hormones since my dose has been near minimum over the years. Sitting on my tush most of the summer, and making a long air-line flight with another type of infection in my leg and a few days after getting back, going on a long car trip with pressure on my legs where the clot occurred probably bore the bulk of responsibility. When we are on hormone therapy we simply need to take care of ourselves. Your caution here though is one I agree with, there is no one safest way to do it.

[Guest KerryUK]

Kenna, there are all sorts of reasons that clots can materialise. Did you enquire during the time you were being treated if the clot was attributable to the HRT? It's easy to blame an 'obvious' cause but not necessarily that which was diagnosed as the actual cause. Just a point.

Kerry x

[Guest Kenna Dixon]

Yes, the clots were attributed to HRT by both the attending physician and by my endocrinologist.

Other suspects such as long distance driving, airline travel or sedentary lifestyle were absent in my case.

[Charlize]

As much as we hate to admit it and i do there is a great deal of research linking clotting to E. Dr McGinn was using a spray with me as it seems to be less problematic than even the patch or cream. I'm only using the patch until my new insurance comes in and i can get the spray again. All of my doctors including my cardiologist are quite concerned about the clotting issue. It is real. New research has made that even more apparent. Unfortunately not much of it is done with the trans* community but unfortunately the results from cis women are worrisome. I'm on some very powerful blood thinners and i pray that will help. My last heart attack was the result of not taking my aspirin as i had for years. Within weeks of stopping i was in an ambulance. HRT is nothing to play with. As i understand it using the smallest does possible is just as effective and safer. Like everyone else i have that temptation to up the dose but also have lived(close call) through the possible results.

I'm glad this issue is coming up as we all face this difficulty and once we start we want more and faster. I know that is the case with me. I have the urge to up my dose even though......... I'm trying to be a good girl and live a bit longer.

Hugs,

Charlize

[Guest allygator]

I was taken off a very low dose of oral E that I had been on since July of 2009 recently due to a blood clot in my leg that developed at 6 years and 3 months. Most of my transitioning partners in crime that had higher doses felt that my level would be ineffective due to its lack of size. By two years or less, I had breast size that equaled one sister's size, and exceeded the other sister's size, I have a womanly figure and hair patterns on my body, and actually even my beard hair became finer in texture to the point I really do not have a shadow any more. None of my cohorts got anything seriously better that could not have been predicted by looking at family members, which annoyed them to the point of having Breast Augmentation in three cases, and some FFS in another couple. I inquired about FFS and was told to save money since my facial features were within a range of normal to good for women. My Endo has kept track of me and her other patients, and will be twisting arms for the lower doses as time comes.

In a few months, when we are sure my blood clot has cleared out, my Endo and my ObGyn will put me on the patches at the equivalent dose I had been on orally, since the patch is now proven safer that way. Remember that natal females take nearly 9 years to fully mature on their hormones (I was the single father of two daughters who had to put up with them during their puberty so I have experience watching that). Trust your doctor on their wisdom about your meds. We have people who have tried to hurry the job and no longer can hurry anything.

strange question but i got to know how do you know u got or have a blood clot in leg or thigh>,, what r u looking for Pain, Color, lump pain, i google it but ugh not sure what i looking at

sorry off topic

[Guest KerryUK]

Thanks for answering my question Kenna - I'm grateful.

Kerry

[TrueSelf]

As it fits to the topic somehow: Has anybody experience with Pueraria Mirifica or other phytoestrogenes?