Gov. Patrick: "Straight Into the Paper Shredder"

[Carolyn Marie]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/13/straight-into-the-paper-shredder-texans-the-first-to-decry-obamas-school-directive-about-transgender-bathrooms/

I wonder how many conservatives will recall the same sort of doomsday predictions that were made when the Supreme Court approved same-sex marriages? Kind of like those preachers who predict the "end days." Pretty soon, people stop listening.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest Kenna Dixon]

“Across societies and throughout history,” Niemeyer wrote, “it has been commonplace and universally accepted to separate public restrooms, locker rooms, and shower facilities on the basis of biological sex in order to address privacy and safety concerns arising from the biological differences between males and females."

The judge needs a history lesson. From Wikipedia: "In the United States, gender-based separation of public restrooms began in the late 19th century as a response to women not having toilets available to them in the workplace." The year was 1887.

And those of us who have lived and worked overseas know well that shared restrooms are the norm in some countries.

[VickySGV]

Brainless!! Now junk-food cereal box tops can be sent in for degrees in school administration!!

I have changed the diapers on too many little girls to have ANY real desire to know what is inside the diaper or training pants ever again.

[Charlize]

Soon shots will be fired on Ft. Sumpter. What a waste of hot air. All because of a trans person wanting to pee like his or her peers.

Hugs,

Charlize

[Carolyn Marie]

All because of a trans person wanting to pee like his or her peers.

Hugs,

Charlize

Is that peers, or "pee-ers?"

Carolyn Marie

[Guest Mia J]

So far the broadcast media does not seem to be getting into an uproar over this. I think folks are just getting tired of the antics of NC and Texas and want to move on.

Mia

[Guest Kenna Dixon]

Perhaps Diana Ross said it best:

Set me free why don't cha babe
Let me pee why don't you babe
'Cause you don't really love me
You just keep me hangin' on

[Guest]

LOL yeh something like that...

[Guest Lizzie McTrucker]

and the Lt Governor who apparently doesn't attend school board meetings, doesn't care about low test scores, suddenly cares a whole lot about this bathroom issue.

I think a lot of people are starting to realize, hey, why is this such a big issue all of a sudden? It wasn't a big concern before, but now it is?!

"Protecting the children" is just a clever ruse, but their supporters are totally buying it!

[Tejana]

Soon shots will be fired on Ft. Sumter. What a waste of hot air. All because of a trans person wanting to pee like his or her peers.

Hugs,

Charlize

Well, respectfully....As was pointed out in other threads, all this brouhaha is not just about restrooms, fitting-rooms, or locker-rooms. The tenth amendment of the Bill of Rights of the United States of America's Constitution states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I believe that the issues in question, which so divide our citizens, are those to be decided by the individual states. I do not believe that the Federal Government can, according to it's governing constitution, impose it's will onto recalcitrant states through blackmail or other forms of coercion.

Frankly, I do not believe that shots will be fired on the Fort Sumter National Monument, Charlotte, South Carolina (i.e., as alluded to in the afore quoted post). The forthcoming battles will be fought in the courts or through state referendums. I do not believe the will exists to preserve the integrity of the current union of states through violent conflict.

Certainly, my oath ...to protect and defend the United States Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic...", remains in effect, even though I have not worked for a federal agency in many, many years. I believe that I can best continue to fulfill said oath by standing with Texas. Despite my status (or lack of it?) as a post-op male-to-female transsexual, I cannot abandon my state and the vast majority of its citizens. Home and history are not things on which I can turn my back.

Best wishes for happiness, peace, and individual liberty to all...including myself.

[Carolyn Marie]

Well, respectfully....As was pointed out in other threads, all this brouhaha is not just about restrooms, fitting-rooms, or locker-rooms. The tenth amendment of the Bill of Rights of the United States of America's Constitution states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I believe that the issues in question, which so divide our citizens, are those to be decided by the individual states. I do not believe that the Federal Government can, according to it's governing constitution, impose it's will onto recalcitrant states through blackmail or other forms of coercion.

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States rights have their place in our legal system, of course. But the courts have pretty consistently held that when it comes to basic civil rights, basic freedoms, like the right to equal treatment under the law, the Federal government can and must act to preserve such rights for people and groups whose rights are threatened. If it had been left to states to decide whether Jim Crow laws should exist, or segregation should exist, how long do you think it would have taken for Southern states to abandon them? Perhaps they would never have given them up.

States rights have been used as rationale since before the Civil War to ensure that some people don't have the same rights as the majority. I hear the same kind of talk now that I did in the 60's, and I'm old enough to remember.

You're right, Tejana, no states are going to secede from the Union. But we aren't going back to the days of segregation, either, whether it be segregation by race, or by gender identity.

Carolyn Marie

[VickySGV]

Certainly the states have their rights to do a whole heckuva lot of things, but they essentially have contracts with the Federal Government which say that for agreeing to follow federal standards, they will get operating money. Violation of that contract loses them the Federal Cash. If the Texan's do not need the money, they can break the contract and refuse the money as LGP claims. If you think I believe that, then you have a flawed belief system. The problem is they do not spend the money they get wisely, and have some real problems.

[Guest Lizzie McTrucker]

I read yesterday online that the KY Governor is siding with TX on this, although his argument seems to be more from a legal standpoint instead of a Biblical one. Still, Kentucky isn't in great shape education-wise and the money used to fight this (or that he gave to a Noah's Ark theme park) would be better spent towards the kids instead.