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Guest Mika N.

Ok, I really need some advice on this one. So, I am thinking about comming out to the Army by telling them I am transgender and seeking transitioning. Who should I tell first? I was thinking that comming out to my commander first would be the best choice but I'm not sure. I know I'll probably get discharged because of this, but I am willing to accept that. I've been seeing a civilian therapist for over three months now, and she agrees that I am transgender. I've been on hormones for over two months now, and I love it and have no plans of stopping them.

When I tell them should I bring a letter from my therapist with me? I was thinking that would be a good idea to help support my claims. I am also unsure what needs to be said in the therapist's letter. Thank you all for being here and any advice you give would be greatly appreciated.

Mika

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Guest Sophie H

This is quite a hard one to advise on unless you have been in the Military yourself. I know in the UK that it would probably not be tolerated, but things in the US might be a bit different. Hopefully someone on the forum who has experience in this will be able to advise you better.

Good luck with everything.

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How much longer is your enlistment?

If you can avoid telling anyone until then you can just take your discharge and move on, I am afraid that if you come out the discharge is likely to darry a negative comment like - physcologically unfit.

I hope that a veteran will come in on this one but they are in the midst of discharging an Arabic translator and a Lt. Colonel Pilot for being gay so don't expect fair and impartial treatment by our military - they sprayed our own troups with Agent Orange and had troops stationed almost in the projected blast zone when they tested the first atomic bomb - all covered with radioactive dust and now dead from Luekemia - these caring and sensative individuals are who you will be dealing with.

Be careful,

Sally

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Guest Donna Jean

Hi, Mika!

I'm ex-Air Force...C-130's (Viet Nam)...

First I have to ask what Sally asked....how much longer is your enlistment? VERY important...If it's not TOO far off you can probably slide on through....

If it's a while and you have to tell your top kick...you'll be out...no doubt about it....sorry..

But if you DO tell them, by all means bring the therapist's letter with you! And to what needs to be said in the letter? Well, there isn't much to say except the truth...it will still mean that you will be out.

My suggestion (and my opinion) is to try to stay under the radar until you separate from the service...can you do that" Is that a possibilty?

Please come back to us on this one, Honey...I'd really like to try to help you....

What is your "M.O.S.?....(your job)....?

XXOO

Donna Jean

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Guest Elizabeth K

Tough call

You have the best advice already... I would just add - I don't think giving the military ANY voluteered information is wise. They won't care about you.

Lizzy

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Guest Mika N.

Ok here is more information on what is going on with my situation. I presently have only Six months left on my enlistment; however, there is a big chance I'll get "stop-lossed" for a third deployment to Iraq. My desire to transition is very strong, almost to the point of being uncontrolable (esp. after I started taking estrogen). I love what it is doing to me too much to stop. For once in my life, I am feeling something that is so right. I know that if I end up downrange, it will be difficult if not impossible to continue taking them.

I am not at all afraid of deploying. If the Army would just accept us and allow us to transition while still in, heck, I would probably reenlist and work toward retirement. I always wanted to wear the female class As and dress blues.

Yes I would like to stay under the radar until I ETS; but I'm planning my moves ahead just incase I have to go this route. I think I might have to come out anyway, being that my breasts are developing. I can easily hide them by wearing constriction shirts under my uniform, but not at all during a medical physical. That brings up another question I was wondering about. Is there anyway I can get some kind of waiver to not get a physical when I ETS?

Donna Jean

My MOS, I don't want to go into specifics. I'll just say that I'm in a support MOS. Sorry, my paranoia..

Mika

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I think that you might just have to come out if they are planning on sending you back to Iraq - that would definately stall your transition and I don't know how bad the stopping of hormones would hit you and under those conditions - that's a bit risky too.

You have to make the decission of what is best for you and it doesn't look like a third tour of Iraq without your hormones would be very good.

Sorry if I can't just say do this, but it is your life and you alone should decide.

Love ya,

Sally

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Guest Donna Jean

Ok here is more information on what is going on with my situation. I presently have only Six months left on my enlistment; however, there is a big chance I'll get "stop-lossed" for a third deployment to Iraq. My desire to transition is very strong, almost to the point of being uncontrolable (esp. after I started taking estrogen). I love what it is doing to me too much to stop. For once in my life, I am feeling something that is so right. I know that if I end up downrange, it will be difficult if not impossible to continue taking them.

Ok, Honey....six months on HRT is really pushing it, but it could be done....And the "Stop-Loss" is a chance ...a coin toss...And don't tell me how uncontrollable the Transition is..Heck, yesterday my doctor doubled my doses!

But.....

1) If you tell now...you're out!

2) You may be out altogether in 6!

3) You're taking chances anyway...try to lay low and if you "Stop-Loss" in 6, then tell.....

4) They don't check for hormones in military physicals...but if you have significant breast development...you may give it away..

I am not at all afraid of deploying. If the Army would just accept us and allow us to transition while still in, heck, I would probably reenlist and work toward retirement. I always wanted to wear the female class As and dress blues.

Don't count on that, Hon....

Yes I would like to stay under the radar until I ETS; but I'm planning my moves ahead just incase I have to go this route. I think I might have to come out anyway, being that my breasts are developing. I can easily hide them by wearing constriction shirts under my uniform, but not at all during a medical physical. That brings up another question I was wondering about. Is there anyway I can get some kind of waiver to not get a physical when I ETS?

I think that you are wise to make plans about your options with this...there are a few sernarios..

As far as the medical...talk to your therapist...they may know a way to get a physical from a Civilian doctor for ETS

that may be acceptable to your Army Doc...There are reasons for that!

Donna Jean

My MOS, I don't want to go into specifics. I'll just say that I'm in a support MOS. Sorry, my paranoia..

That's completly ok, Sweetie...no need to get specific....close enough...

Mika

Keep in touch, Hon.........PM me if you need to........OK?

****BIGG HUGG****

Donna Jean

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Guest Mika N.
I think that you might just have to come out if they are planning on sending you back to Iraq - that would definately stall your transition and I don't know how bad the stopping of hormones would hit you and under those conditions - that's a bit risky too.

You have to make the decission of what is best for you and it doesn't look like a third tour of Iraq without your hormones would be very good.

Sorry if I can't just say do this, but it is your life and you alone should decide.

Love ya,

Sally

The Idea of stopping the hormones is not an option to me. You are right that I need to make the decision of what is best for me. I won't accept anything else but to continue with my transition. Thank you and I very much appreciate you input.

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Guest Mika N.
Ok here is more information on what is going on with my situation. I presently have only Six months left on my enlistment; however, there is a big chance I'll get "stop-lossed" for a third deployment to Iraq. My desire to transition is very strong, almost to the point of being uncontrolable (esp. after I started taking estrogen). I love what it is doing to me too much to stop. For once in my life, I am feeling something that is so right. I know that if I end up downrange, it will be difficult if not impossible to continue taking them.

Ok, Honey....six months on HRT is really pushing it, but it could be done....And the "Stop-Loss" is a chance ...a coin toss...And don't tell me how uncontrollable the Transition is..Heck, yesterday my doctor doubled my doses!

But.....

1) If you tell now...you're out!

2) You may be out altogether in 6!

3) You're taking chances anyway...try to lay low and if you "Stop-Loss" in 6, then tell.....

4) They don't check for hormones in military physicals...but if you have significant breast development...you may give it away..

I am not at all afraid of deploying. If the Army would just accept us and allow us to transition while still in, heck, I would probably reenlist and work toward retirement. I always wanted to wear the female class As and dress blues.

Don't count on that, Hon....

Yes I would like to stay under the radar until I ETS; but I'm planning my moves ahead just incase I have to go this route. I think I might have to come out anyway, being that my breasts are developing. I can easily hide them by wearing constriction shirts under my uniform, but not at all during a medical physical. That brings up another question I was wondering about. Is there anyway I can get some kind of waiver to not get a physical when I ETS?

I think that you are wise to make plans about your options with this...there are a few sernarios..

As far as the medical...talk to your therapist...they may know a way to get a physical from a Civilian doctor for ETS

that may be acceptable to your Army Doc...There are reasons for that!

Donna Jean

My MOS, I don't want to go into specifics. I'll just say that I'm in a support MOS. Sorry, my paranoia..

That's completly ok, Sweetie...no need to get specific....close enough...

Mika

Keep in touch, Hon.........PM me if you need to........OK?

****BIGG HUGG****

Donna Jean

I agree with your points. I need to try not to me too hasty and wait and see if the "stop-loss" order comes up. If it does then I have no choice but to "come out". If not then maybe I'll be able to ETS while still under the radar. I guess I'll come out to my company commander first, then we will see where things go from there. They say that I can do my final physical exam with Six months left. So maybe I should try to do that asap instead of waiting till I develop more. Maybe I'll be able to squeak by without too much suspicion..

Thank you very much for your input. These next few months I feel will be some very turbulent times for me... God, I need to speak to my therapist now

Mika

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Guest Donna Jean
I agree with your points. I need to try not to me too hasty and wait and see if the "stop-loss" order comes up. If it does then I have no choice but to "come out". If not then maybe I'll be able to ETS while still under the radar. I guess I'll come out to my company commander first, then we will see where things go from there. They say that I can do my final physical exam with Six months left. So maybe I should try to do that asap instead of waiting till I develop more. Maybe I'll be able to squeak by without too much suspicion..

Thank you very much for your input. These next few months I feel will be some very turbulent times for me... God, I need to speak to my therapist now

Mika

Mika.....Good Luck, Hon.....

I got out of 'Nam with my butt in one piece so good things can happen....lol

AND ...By all means if you can do it now (Physical) Do it!!!!

I don't know how much development you have right now...I'm into month 4 and I'm really starting to get a bit obvious (don't think I could get by a doctor without a shirt!)...but in your opinion if you're not too big right now get that physical out of the way...one less brick in the wall! And what is your general stature? Skinny? Heavy? Pudgy?..You may blow it off as "Man Boobs" if a question arises...

So, Sweetie....Lets hope it goes smooth and we'll keep our fingers crossed!

Remember, if they pull the Stop Loss on you, it's time for the big guns...But most likely it will be a General discharge and not a Dis-honorable...

Your (Trans Vet) Friend...

Donna Jean

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Guest nova

Would you lose your benefits if you didn't get an honorable discharge? Just don't get your transgender care from them while you're active duty. Just tell them you're on estrogen for some other problem with a private sector doctor. tell them you have gynomastia. What do i know. It just sounds like you've got nothing to gain and everything to lose by telling them.

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Guest Leah1026
I think I might have to come out anyway, being that my breasts are developing. I can easily hide them by wearing constriction shirts under my uniform, but not at all during a medical physical. That brings up another question I was wondering about. Is there anyway I can get some kind of waiver to not get a physical when I ETS?

As far as I know discharge physicals are MANDATORY. That is partially how they determine the validity of future claims. Since you do not want to stop HRT it sounds like you only have one option:

Disclosure

The military is getting better about these things, but you WILL be discharged. However, depending on your local commander, you may end up with a normal honorarble discharge and your benefits intact. Also realize these kinds of discharges, because the policy is still evolving, can take time. I know somebody that was in the Marines and her discharge took 6 months!

Good Luck!

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Guest katie019

there is no more stop loss, they quit doing that a few months ago. thats what our chain of command told me, because i thought on my next tour i would be stop lossed.

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Guest Mika N.
Would you lose your benefits if you didn't get an honorable discharge? Just don't get your transgender care from them while you're active duty. Just tell them you're on estrogen for some other problem with a private sector doctor. tell them you have gynomastia. What do i know. It just sounds like you've got nothing to gain and everything to lose by telling them.

I really just want to ETS without telling them. I feel that would be the best scenerio. However, I won't accept having to go downrange again and putting my transition on hold. For me it is either transition or else...

Mika

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Guest Mika N.
As far as I know discharge physicals are MANDATORY. That is partially how they determine the validity of future claims. Since you do not want to stop HRT it sounds like you only have one option:

Disclosure

I'm hoping I could squeak by the physical if I do it soon. Planning on trying to schedual one very soon. If questions come up then I guess I'll have to do as you say. Disclosure.

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Guest Mika N.
there is no more stop loss, they quit doing that a few months ago. thats what our chain of command told me, because i thought on my next tour i would be stop lossed.

From my research "stop-loss" is supposed to end, but not until 2010. So that still leaves me open to be stop-lossed this year.

Mika

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Guest nova

I have been on HRT for four years, and I was typical, in that I waited two years for the maximum breast development to be expected from HRT. I didn't have huge noticable breast development after six months. I 've seen lots of men with bigger breasts just from body fat than little transsexual me had after six months. If you're getting out in six months, I seriously doubt you'll be pulled aside and given the third degree unless you are a rare case and develop a full C cup in six months. I asked my veteran friends and my brother, about their discharge physical and they all said it wasn't much. They said you're not going to get your hormone levels checked--it's just not routinely done. Unless you have an exceptional response to HRT, it's just not going to raise any eyebrows. I knew a vet who even had electrolysis done and facial feminization done while in the service--kept their mouth shut, then went on to finish transitioning after being honorably discharged. If they find out or if you tell them, you lose either way. If you keep quite, it's more than likely you can start your transition, get an honorable and get on with your life. If you disclose now you have thrown away your options. If it were me, I would keep my mouth shut. But if they were gonna send me back to the war, I would get out. But with my luck, if I told them I was taking hormones and I was transsexual, they would say, "nice", here are your orders anyway.

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Mika,

I wish I had some good advice to give you, but it seems that everybody here has come up with everything I would have told you. I'll I have to offer is that I'm also currently in the military, though I'm navy not army, and I'm dealing with the same sort of problems you are. I've been going to a civilian therapist for over a year now, and have been on HRT for about 3 months. Every day I contomplate just telling my chief what's going on with me. But I don't because I don't want to risk getting anything less than an honerable discharge. I am woried about my exit phisical, I know mine will be very invasive do to the nature of my job, radiological work, and diving both can lead to medical problems. So I'm deffinitly woried that the military will find out about me then, but hopfully I'll have such little time left that I'll be able to just slip by un-noticed. Well I wish you luck, and I realy just wanted to say that there are other people here that are dealing with the same issue.

Morgan

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Guest Mika N.
I asked my veteran friends and my brother, about their discharge physical and they all said it wasn't much. They said you're not going to get your hormone levels checked--it's just not routinely done. Unless you have an exceptional response to HRT, it's just not going to raise any eyebrows. I knew a vet who even had electrolysis done and facial feminization done while in the service--kept their mouth shut, then went on to finish transitioning after being honorably discharged. If they find out or if you tell them, you lose either way. If you keep quite, it's more than likely you can start your transition, get an honorable and get on with your life. If you disclose now you have thrown away your options. If it were me, I would keep my mouth shut. But if they were gonna send me back to the war, I would get out.

Thank you. This puts me a little bit at ease hearing this. That is pretty much how I'm planning on playing it. I'll keep my mouth shut, unless they stop loss me for deployment then I'll disclose.

Mika

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Guest Mika N.
Mika,

I wish I had some good advice to give you, but it seems that everybody here has come up with everything I would have told you. I'll I have to offer is that I'm also currently in the military, though I'm navy not army, and I'm dealing with the same sort of problems you are. I've been going to a civilian therapist for over a year now, and have been on HRT for about 3 months. Every day I contomplate just telling my chief what's going on with me. But I don't because I don't want to risk getting anything less than an honerable discharge. I am woried about my exit phisical, I know mine will be very invasive do to the nature of my job, radiological work, and diving both can lead to medical problems. So I'm deffinitly woried that the military will find out about me then, but hopfully I'll have such little time left that I'll be able to just slip by un-noticed. Well I wish you luck, and I realy just wanted to say that there are other people here that are dealing with the same issue.

Morgan

Morgan,

I wish you luck with your physical as well. Well, I just scheduled my ETS physical. It comes in two parts, the first one is going to be next monday. We will see what happens. In some weird way I'm kind of hoping they find out about me, then the whole suspense of them finding out will be over with... I'm very tired of worrying about all of this.

Mika

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Guest Donna Jean
Morgan,

I wish you luck with your physical as well. Well, I just scheduled my ETS physical. It comes in two parts, the first one is going to be next monday. We will see what happens. In some weird way I'm kind of hoping they find out about me, then the whole suspense of them finding out will be over with... I'm very tired of worrying about all of this.

Mika

Well, Good for you, Mika!

I was hoping that you would go for the early physical.....

Just play it cool and if no one asks anything don't give anything!

You may very well blow through this without a hitch!

Good luck, Sweetheart!

Dona Jean

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Guest Charlene_Leona

Mika

If you come out now they will defiantly start to boot you out, they will also give you an RE4 reenlistment code so no more military for you even if they start accepting Transsexuals in the military. You will also get an medical discharge based on "Other Physical Mental Condition Personality Disorder" If you wait until you are being discharged that would be your best option for now, if the Stop-Loss you will want to go to a base psychologist and disclose your Transsexuality to them but not until them. This will stop the Stop-Loss on you faster than a flash. Another thing you need to do is protect yourself by not disclosing this to anyone other than a psychologist because there is so much transphobia amongst those in the military you could get hurt badly or worse. So please take care of yourself and watch your back.

Best Wishes

Charlene Leona

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Guest Mika N.

Thank-you everybody for all your input, I really appreciate it because I don't feel so alone because of them. So here is a update of what has happened so far. Here at my duty station, I can start my ETS physical exam for the Army with six months left to my enlistment. I believe that can vary with the duty station you may be at. The physical comes in two parts: Phase 1 and Phase 2.

Phase 1, I had to fast about 8 hours the night before only drinking water. The physical for me I had to show up in PTs and it comprised of filling out a questionair, Laboratory(urinalysis and blood tests), Hearing test, Vision test, and Chest x-ray. I have been on Hormones about 5 months now and I would say I am A cups or close to it. Looking at my chest head on, you don't notice much developement. However looking from the top and sides, I have a more female figure. Luckily, I have to wear a reflective vest as part of my PT uniform. The Vest does a good job covering my breast development. If I didn't have it I probably could have gotten away with wearing some type of contriction vest underneath my PT shirt to hide the girls. Phase 1 took the whole morning till lunchtime to complete. Everything went well.

Phase 2. Well, I have this scheduled in the next few days. I am anticipating this part will be more intrusive being that I might have to take my shirt off during the physical. From what I understand, we will go over all my tests from "phase 1". I am bit concerned about the chest X-ray I took. Anyway, I plan bringing my therapist's letter with me if things get so out of hand that I have no choice but to disclose. Spoke with my therapist and gave her a heads up that she might be getting a phone call from the Army in the next few days. She shrugged it off and said she is OK with it, I thanked her and she gave me a big hug. God, I love my therapist.

Well, that is pretty much what is going on right now. Maybe, someone reading this will learn from my personal experience. I plan on posting the outcome of my phase 2 physical when it gets done. I hope it turns out well...

Wish me luck,

Mika

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      Post 11 “The Move West”    I mentioned in previous posts how many of the places I lived impacted my comfort level, and from my perspective, living in New Jersey was the perfect location for a trans woman.  However, other factors, such as property taxes and living costs, meant my wife and I couldn’t comfortable retire there.  Additionally, my wife wanted to live closer to our kids, and I couldn’t deny her that desire, especially since she dutifully followed me around the globe during my military and flying career.  Because the boys both lived on the “left” coast, we were going to retire somewhere in the western half of the United States.    Searching for places to retire, we wanted a locale that was easy on taxes and benefitted retirees.  However, I was ever vigilant for a place that was going to be trans friendly.  We actually passed on many places because, based on the research I did, they were not considered good locales for alternative lifestyles.  The internet has its issues, but there are numerous LGBTQ resources that helped us make an informed decision.  Despite the research we did, you really can’t know if you are going to be comfortable somewhere until you’ve actually lived there.   The plan was to select a location, and move when I retired.  However, the demand for real estate in New Jersey put our house in high-demand, and our real estate agent suggested we sell as soon as possible to take advantage of the market.  We put the house up for sale and it sold in under 15-days.  Suddenly, we had to find a new place to live, so instead of waiting until I stopped working, we relocated immediately.    Nevada had always come up as a great retirement location.  There was no state tax, and the cost of living was much lower than any of the other places we had on our list.  Surprisingly, many of the larger Nevada municipalities scored high as LGBTQ locations.  Las Vegas got the best LGBTQ ratings but we didn’t want to live in such a large city.  However, both Carson City and Reno looked like acceptable alternatives.  We chose the Reno area, although the house we bought is about 50-mile away from the city.   In the back of my mind, I kept wondering if the research I had done about Reno being LGBTQ friendly was accurate.  Clearly, I had assumed some risk here, since the research results didn’t specifically address the transgender community.  Adding to my anxiety, I couldn’t find any local trans groups, and the Reno LGBTQ community center’s transgender page hadn’t been refreshed in several years.  The only way for me to know for sure what things would be like for me, was to put myself out there.    Sally’s first day in Reno would be a June Saturday morning.  The plan was to do some shopping and find a place to eat lunch.  I started my day by stopping at Starbucks for coffee.  It was a pleasant surprise to greeted so openly by the staff, and this seemed a first positive sign.  Then it was off to the mall.  I shopped at a few of the department stores, and strolled through the mall proper.  It was a busy Saturday, with lots of people out and about, but I never noticed an odd or disparaging look, nor did I encounter a personal interaction that wasn’t anything but pleasant and cordial.  After the mall, I stopped at PF Chang’s for lunch.  Since I was alone, I asked the hostess if I could get food at the bar.  The young lady tending the bar that day was so sweet, and we immediately became friends.  The next thing I knew, I was being introduced to other servers, and became the center of their attention.  They raved about my outfit and the boots I was wearing.  Talk about feeling special.    So, my first day as Sally was awesome, and since that first outing, I have never had an uncomfortable moment in Reno.  I have also noticed several trans women in my travels, so obviously there is a population here.  It kind of surprises me there isn’t an active social group, but then maybe the women I’ve encountered have settled into society here, and don’t need it.  I don’t actually need a trans specific social group either.  My wife is my BFF, and she and I get out together often enough that I don’t feel lonely or alone.   I bet there are other girls out there; however, who are still in the closet, or perhaps don’t know how much fun Reno is.  For those girls, I have considered starting a social group.  In fact, I have already coordinated a “girl’s” weekend for this coming September.  The plan is to spend the weekend enjoying all Reno has to offer, but centered around a Saturday evening concert.  It should be lots of fun, and I’m looking forward to it.  The challenge is getting the word out.  I probably need to coordinate with the local LGBTQ center to help spread the word.   Turns out Reno is a fun place to live even though I am trans.  The people Sally has met have all been very friendly, but I can’t imagine it being any other way, since Sally is also friendly, and based on my interaction with others, very likeable as well.  I think I’m living proof that when you are open, friendly, have a positive attitude, and smile a lot, people respond in kind, even when they might know, or have a hint you weren’t born the gender you are presenting.    One could assume that my positive social experiences have just been dumb luck, but when I consider how long I have been out as Sally, it can’t just be luck.  I know in my heart, that I am doing something right, that my female personality resonates in a way that ensures I am accepted as the woman I am trying to be.   Hugs,   Sally
    • Ivy
    • Betty K
      I’m not saying that situation will change for you — how could I know? — but I can say it changed for me. I am frequently astonished at how differently I behave since transitioning, how much more relaxed and free and confident I am, and how much of my behaviour seems — to me and to others — genuinely feminine. It can happen.
    • Abigail Genevieve
      Good information, thanks.
    • MaeBe
      The behaviors you mention are all socialized, they’re not natal. The women all lived lives where this behavior is expected and they learned. That’s not to say every person aligns with societal “norms” or does it well, this situation was a microcosm. I think I understand where your head is at and I’m confident nothing I wrote is news to you, but look at it this way: do what brings you joy and the rest will follow. At the end it seems like you got in the way of your own joy, the others were including you be it through politeness or acceptance, and only when the Self got in the way did the interaction change.
    • Ladypcnj
      Here are some safety tips whenever going out: 1. Make sure your cellphone is fully charged, and don't forget to bring the charger with you. 2. Tell a trusted friend or family member who is accepting about where you're going to be (if you're traveling alone). 3. Bring along a trusted friend or someone else that is in the community, go together, and afterwards leave the place together. 4. Be aware of your surroundings.
    • Mirrabooka
      I’m posting this here because maybe it is a sign that I dislike my natal self in some ways that I hadn’t thought of before.   A situation happened yesterday which ended up giving me a good ol’ reality check. It left me feeling quite deflated. As a result, once again, I’m questioning my place on the trans rainbow spectrum. It’s not so much that I feel like an imposter, but rather, I feel like an alien.   Our oldest daughter is a single mom and her daughter, our granddaughter, is going on seven. They had a special event at her school yesterday; it was Special Person’s Day, where parents or significant others were invited to participate in some out-of-class activities in the last hour with the students. Since our daughter was working, my wife and I were glad to attend in her place and our granddaughter was thrilled to see us.   My wife isn’t disabled, but she’s not especially capable of doing physical stuff. So, it was always going to be me holding onto the tug-of-war rope with half a dozen mothers against the kids, just as it was to get in the rock/paper/scissors comp where the loser went to the back of the line and the winner had to sprint madly along the line to mee the next contestant. It was nice to be doing something amongst a group of lovely women, not that they knew that I was emulating them. There was some small talk and a bit of gentle banter with these strangers, and it felt nice; I felt included. Of course, these women were just being good humans and not actually including me as one of them. Not that I expected them to do so.   Then we went to the art room and waited outside until the previous group finished up. I became observant during this time, not ogling the ladies amongst the throng at all, but just taking in their hairstyles and clothing choices and the spontaneous, intuitive conversations between them. I started to get a sinking feeling. I was nothing like them, not just in appearance, but in womanly ways. Once inside and assisting the kids, I found it impossible to interact with any of the mothers at all. It’s as if I could see their large pink auras all intermingling, and here was I with my tiny blue (purple at best) aura tied to an anvil and unable to think of myself as anything but an outlier. I almost felt embarrassed to have long hair.   It doesn’t matter how womanly I feel inside, or what feminine mannerisms automatically happen, or how I might display myself to keep my inner woman happy – I am missing the naturality of it all. And that's what gave me the feeling of being deflated.   Just had to get this off my chest.    
    • Cynthia Slowan
      Good Morning!!    I hope everyone has a nice day.  I love rain but am happy to see the sun trying to peep through this morning in North Carolina.     I have been in the foothills for about a week visiting friends and family and will be heading home to the coast in a few hours.     I have to pack my car before I can enjoy my morning ☕️ then hope to have a pleasant five hour drive.     💗Cynthia 
    • Betty K
      I remember this well. I used to spend two hours getting ready every time I went out! But yes, going full-time put paid to that. I still like to look good, and I totally agree about standing out vs blending in — plenty of cis women stand out and seem happy to do so, so why shouldn’t we? — but I also appreciate the comfort I feel in relatively more casual (but still feminine) clothes these days.    As to the fetish thing, ugh, you did well to put aside that concern. Billie Eilish just told Rolling Stone that she masturbates to her own reflection in a mirror; if that isn’t “love of oneself as a woman” I don’t know what is.   
    • Kait
      This post made me chuckle, because I wrote my first (intro) post here about two days ago and used the exact same phrase.    My answer would be yes. I do. There's a wide variety of thoughts going on in my brain, so I've always got something to entertain me, and if I want to, there's always the ability to pick a thought and really drill down to the deepest implications of it.    For example recently I've been thinking about 'the philosophy of mind' and really trying to dissect what it is to be a 'mind'. It's complicated and muddy, but I feel I'm actually making progress towards a fully definable position, free of obvious self-contradictions. It would be cool if I can accomplish that and maybe someday even publish works on it.   What about you? Is your inner life one you would describe as 'rich'? 
    • Mirrabooka
      @Birdie I'm glad things are looking up.   I've lost 5kg this year! Not a huge amount, but encouraging.   I accidentally skipped a shave this morning for the first time in months and I'm definitely not used to how it feels! It's like my face is covered in velcro hooks! 
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