Tennessee Anti-Trans Youth Sports Bill Becomes Law

[Carolyn Marie]

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/gov-lee-signs-transgender-athlete-bill-preventing-students-from-playing-on-teams-aligning-with-gender-identity/51-e7ee92ed-c2ae-40ec-b556-7c5e8bcabfb5

 

I believe this is state #3.  The others are Arkansas and Mississippi.  Its so nice to know that its so much safer for cis-girls now that a non-existent crisis has been ended.

 

Carolyn Marie

[VickySGV]

In order to participate in school sports a preteen child needs to impregnate another preteen child to for both of them to play school sports?  That is how this bill can be construed, and it can really get ridiculous.  Even the seeming right genitalia does not do the job. 

[Carolyn Marie]

I'd love to see what happens when a 17-18 year old FtM trans youth signs up to play girls softball, or any other sport, for that matter.  Not that any would, but it would be interesting just the same.

 

Carolyn Marie

[Ivy]

9 hours ago, Carolyn Marie said:

I'd love to see what happens when a 17-18 year old FtM trans youth signs up to play girls softball, or any other sport, for that matter.  Not that any would, but it would be interesting just the same.

LOL

Of course we all realize this has nothing to do with sports anyway.

[Ivy]

10 hours ago, Carolyn Marie said:

I'd love to see what happens when a 17-18 year old FtM trans youth signs up to play girls softball, or any other sport, for that matter.

OK

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/03/trans-wrestler-mack-beggs-speaks-forced-compete-girl-no-win-situation/

 

[VickySGV]

1 hour ago, Jandi said:

OK

I was thinking about that one myself.  I read a couple of pieces on Face Book about his POV on this.

[Red_Lauren.]

I saw this being mentioned on reddit. As some one who played competitive stick and ball sports most of my child hood. I'm kinda mixed about this, and got ripped a new one by a few people over there. Who probably don't know how munch stronger a 15 year old boy is compared to even a 15 year old girl. Let alone how munch stronger a 18 year old man is then the same 15 year old boy. There is a reason why boys sports leagues are based on real small age groups after 10. 

 

I said I personally don't find it fair for the girls. If a trans girl who went through male puberty is on the other team. I feel like it's fair if she had been on blockers, and hasn't experienced male puberty. I also said a ftm would be at a disadvantage compared to a 18 year old man of the same height and weight. I then was told he can take hormones to be as strong. Yes they are correct, but the avg puberty age for boys is 12. He has a 4 year head start on development, and he might never catch up in strength with a cis male.

 

In the end If I had a daughter. I would be upset if she had to compete against any one. Trans or not that has had testerone in their system period because I know what it advantage is. I'm all for equal rights, but I also feel this has to be put in to palce to save girls sports. 

[KayC]

What about youth level sports "transitioning" to Non-gendered competitive sports categories.  We everybody regardless of gender identity is allow to participate and compete and the "level" of the category you are competing in is based on ability, not gender.
This is done already in things like Varsity vs JV levels, and a multitude of minor-league levels in baseball. 

 

This would be good even for cis-gender youth who maybe don't have the physical attributes in their age bracket to compete at the higher levels (puberty hits everybody differently).  I was like that in my teens.  I loved sports but I could never match up with my cis-male peers.

I thought I might be crazy to think this is possible until I found this article ..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-lgbt-sport-trfn-idUSKBN1XE0CA

 

but as @Jandi said, this legislation really has nothing to do with sports ?

[Ivy]

8 hours ago, Red_Lauren. said:

I feel like it's fair if she had been on blockers, and hasn't experienced male puberty. I also said a ftm would be at a disadvantage compared to a 18 year old man of the same height and weight. I then was told he can take hormones to be as strong. Yes they are correct, but the avg puberty age for boys is 12. He has a 4 year head start on development, and he might never catch up in strength with a cis male.

It does get complicated.  Of course a lot of these bills would also prohibit puberty blockers. 

I do have some mixed feelings on the sports issues myself.  But I feel sports are only being used as an excuse to scapegoat the trans youth community.  Criminalizing trans medical care is kinda oppressive IMHO.  And forcing teachers to out trans kids to a hostile family is… well, cruel and dangerous.

[Mia Marie]

On 3/26/2021 at 11:23 PM, Carolyn Marie said:

I'd love to see what happens when a 17-18 year old FtM trans youth signs up to play girls softball, or any other sport, for that matter.  Not that any would, but it would be interesting just the same.

 

 

It already evident that teenage girls are being allowed to play football in some high schools. I also know that there should be allowances for trans girls to play in girl sports but also that there should be a sizing and strength similarity between the cis and trans. We need to find some form of common ground for all people and we need to tell those in charge. Our government needs to know that. I am, personally, a transgender athlete in bowling. I am looking forward to joining the women's division soon. So my point is if there is equal abilities in both the cis person and transgender person, let them play.

[Ivy]

1 hour ago, Mia Marie said:

So my point is if there is equal abilities in both the cis person and transgender person, let them play.

Don't some sports have "Handicaps"?

[Mia Marie]

There are in most bowling but I have seen some leagues with no handicap and cis women who could out bowl me on any given day. As for regular junior high and high school sports, no there aren't. I am working toward PBA and there is no handicaps used there.

[Mia Marie]

1 hour ago, Mia Marie said:

cis women who could out bowl me on any given day.

And I was saying this as without any handicap added.

[Ivy]

2 hours ago, Mia Marie said:

2 hours ago, Mia Marie said:

cis women who could out bowl me on any given day.

And I was saying this as without any handicap added.

Oh, I totally believe you.

As the parent of 6 daughters - don't underestimate the girls.

[Mia Marie]

I will still say is the abilities and strengths match, let them play.