Ohio Senate Removes Invasive Exam Language From Trans Sports Bill

[Carolyn Marie]

https://woub.org/2022/12/07/ohio-senate-removes-invasive-exam-language-from-transgender-athlete-ban/

 

A minor improvement on a terrible bill, but a welcome one just the same.

 

Carolyn Marie

[Charlize]

It is interesting in this legislation that there is no mention of trans men.  I  can imagine senerios where in the low wrestling weight classes or in gymnastics where this could be an issue.  Shouldn't we be equally discriminatory?  

This is such a made up issue  but it is great politics.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

[Vidanjali]

1 hour ago, Charlize said:

It is interesting in this legislation that there is no mention of trans men.  I  can imagine senerios where in the low wrestling weight classes or in gymnastics where this could be an issue.  Shouldn't we be equally discriminatory?  

This is such a made up issue  but it is great politics.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

 

An excellent point which underscores the made-up-ness. Transwomen are seen as a threat to the purity of ciswomen be children - invading their spaces with predatory intent. Transmen are seen by the made-up-stuff-believers as victims of internalized misogyny. So, apparently transmen are mainly a threat to themselves? But then there's the made up "social contagion" theory. I suppose that if transmen infiltrate "men's" sports, there is no threat of said "men" contracting the contagion as they're already men. But wait! Does this mean that in fact transmen, in order to protect the sanctity of women and children, should therefore be required to join sports that align with their affirmed gender instead of joining women's teams? 

 

One will come up with only nonsensical conclusions when operating with flawed axioms. 🙄😝

 

[Ivy]

I can't really explain why, but I feel this quote is somehow appropriate to this issue -

 

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

[Davie]

Yes, speak truth to power—but don't try to make good sense arguing with crazy, dangerous people. Instead, look at Germany and Peru—they lock them up. We should, too.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

But who gets to determine what is crazy? Who gets locked up? We've seen what happens when the "majority" gets to make that decision.  Societies can often fall victim to a collective insanity like in WWII. 

 

It always comes down to that question.... Who is to be the master? Ideally, the correct answer to that question is NOBODY.  

 

I'm glad to see that invasive language removed from the bill. Just as I'm glad to see any removal of power from those who want to be the master.  

[Ivy]

1 minute ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

But who gets to determine what is crazy? Who gets locked up? We've seen what happens when the "majority" gets to make that decision. 

Emily Dickinson:

 

Much Madness is divinest Sense -

To a discerning Eye -

Much Sense - the starkest Madness -

’Tis the Majority

In this, as all, prevail -

Assent - and you are sane -

Demur - you’re straightway dangerous -

And handled with a Chain -

[Heather Nicole]

3 hours ago, Charlize said:

It is interesting in this legislation that there is no mention of trans men.  I  can imagine senerios where in the low wrestling weight classes or in gymnastics where this could be an issue.  Shouldn't we be equally discriminatory?  

This is such a made up issue  but it is great politics.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

 

A lot of transphobia also carries sexism. Bigotry with bigotry.

[Marcie Jensen]

4 hours ago, Charlize said:

It is interesting in this legislation that there is no mention of trans men.  I  can imagine senerios where in the low wrestling weight classes or in gymnastics where this could be an issue.  Shouldn't we be equally discriminatory?  

This is such a made up issue  but it is great politics.

AMEN!!!

[Ivy]

4 hours ago, Charlize said:

It is interesting in this legislation that there is no mention of trans men…  Shouldn't we be equally discriminatory?

Misogyny.  

 

Being a man is good.  Trans-men are little threat to the patriarchy.  

Trans-women challenge it by rejecting, or at least questioning it.  If men are superior, why would anyone choose to be a woman?

[VickySGV]

Adding injury to insult in the area of Trans Men that is missing here was the Texas experience a couple years back, where a "T" loaded High School Trans Man was forced to wrestle in the women's category, and was beating the liver out of the women.  He was considered to be a woman by their rules, so it was all hunky dory.   "When in worry or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!!"

[Ivy]

58 minutes ago, VickySGV said:

"T" loaded High School Trans Man was forced to wrestle in the women's category, and was beating the liver out of the women. 

I mean, this.

[Trans22]

1 hour ago, Ivy said:

If men are superior, why would anyone choose to be a woman?

The problem lies in the "choose" belief.  I suspect that for many people, myself included, living authentically is the only option we can live with.  I had survived "existing" for almost 40 years, but once I got a sense of what life (private transition) could be like I knew that continued existence wouldn't be survivable any more.

An analogy:  I wonder how many people would "choose" to live in permanent darkness after experiencing daylight.  Comments around Christmas time in high northern hemisphere latitudes suggest that very few people thrive when there are few/no hours of daylight.  If people were forced into this situation, attempted suicide rates might easily match surpass the rates we see for transgender people.

[Ivy]

28 minutes ago, Trans22 said:

The problem lies in the "choose" belief. 

Being transgender is not exactly a choice, true.  Living as transgender kinda is though.

Once you feel the freedom of being yourself it's hard to go back willingly.  

Oppression can force you back though, which is the intent of a lot of the current legislation.

[Davie]

VICTORY: Today the Second Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a student athletic policy in Connecticut allowing transgender students to play on the teams consistent with their gender identity.    — ACLU ⛹️‍♀️

[VickySGV]

@DavieI just got done reading about this in two places, one through the Human Rights Campaign and the other a source quoting F-- News and the two are a bit at odds with each other.  The judge found the Cis Plaintiffs had not proven they were injured, but the F--News quoted the them as they and 85 women having been cheated out of place statistics by the Trans people.  Of course, the legal financiers and counsel was a hate group with too much money and time on its hands.