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[Guest Jeannine Bean]

I mostly like to be with women, so I don't care much about vaginal depth. Really, I don't even understand the obsession with it. From what I've observed, I think a 6" deep Vagina would be perfectly normal on a 6' tall girl.

Instead of talking about how much they can feel and where the details of sensation are, most transwomen brag about their massive depth, and seem to add "and fully orgasmic" as an afterthought. I'm not even sure what "and fully orgasmic" even means. Does that mean "can reach a decent orgasm in 16 minutes", or "the same as before SRS" or "constantly orgasmic" or what? I don't mean to be flippant, it's just that for some of us these are very important things to know.

I am saving aggressively and considering SRS with Dr. Suporn. I have corresponded extensively with his clinic and discovered some really interesting information. First of all, the way he makes a clitoris can be based on where the most sensitive tissues are on your "donor material." He really works hard to preserve sensation and make functionality. Also he makes labia minora from the shaft of the penis, so you'd get a lot of good sensation there (well, as much as you get from the shaft of your penis). They way I understand what he said he actually uses the more sensitive skin from the end part of the shaft for the inside of the labia, and the lower shaft skin for the outside. That sounds really worthwhile. Lining the vagina with scrotal tissue, he says, makes for pretty good lubrication in most cases because the skin, when stretched, is very smooth. Also he claims the scrotal skin absorbs estrogen and softens due to the hormones we all take.

He only discards testes, the very tip of the urethra, and a small amount of erectile meatus. A very good point: Keep as much of what you have as possible!

You're not going to grow any new nerves in this process so end it with as few less nerves as you can.

Anyways, I don't know how to go about a useful discussion, and I suspect Laura's censors wouldn't let us speak about sexual feelings in much detail. Is there a place or a forum where experiences of sensation have been discussed? I feel like I can't get any good information on this matter. When I read, all people will say is "it's the best thing that I ever did" and, as I said, lots of information about depth... little about feeling. I think Depth is AS sexually explicit as sensation, though I understand, in some ways, it's less personally revealing. Of course, who would even be willing to discuss this matter? I don't know. I don't want to cause anyone any difficulty, I just want better information about post SRS sex and feeling. I am very scared as I approach this process and I feel like I can't get the answers I need.

Thanks,

Jeannine

[Guest Leah1026]

Depth is important to us for one BIG reason:

Natal vaginas can double in size because they a very elastic. A natal females vagina may only be about 4", but it can stretch to accomadate an 8" penis.

Our vaginas are NOT elastic. If you get 5" with surgery that's all you have because it doesn't stretch.

However, if you see Dr Suporn depth shouldn't be an issue, he's famous for depth. BUT that depth comes at a cost. His recovery is much more intense than other surgeons. That's because the material he uses is turned into cheesecloth consistency to get that depth.

Next, with today's techniques and a top surgeon almost everyone (90%+) can be orgasmic.

[Guest Eth]

Next, with today's techniques and a top surgeon almost everyone (90%+) can be orgasmic.

Really? This is something that'd been worrying me a lot... I heard only 70% were!

Where did you find this information? I'd love to read/learn more about that!

愛 Eth

[Guest Leah1026]

Really? This is something that'd been worrying me a lot... I heard only 70% were!

Where did you find this information? I'd love to read/learn more about that!

Remember what I said..... a "top surgeon". Somebody like Brassard, Bowers, Meltzer, Suporn. They all have proven track records.

You can't go to a second class doctor and expect first class results.

[Guest Eth]

Remember what I said..... a "top surgeon". Somebody like Brassard, Bowers, Meltzer, Suporn. They all have proven track records.

Thanks- I'll look into that

愛 Eth

[Guest AllisonD]

I responded to another of your posts, the one where you asked something like "what is left for me?" Not knowing of this forum at the time, I think I touched on some of this topic there.

I will have to guess Stanley Biber left me with something on the order of 4 or 5". It never really mattered, I haven't used it since I got it almost 30 years ago. On the other hand, his techniques were crude compared to what is available today and I am seriously considering getting some cosmetic work done. Not that it will improve feeling (of which I have little) or function (of which I have none). As best as I can tell, I visited Trinidad Colorado within a year after author Kate Bornstein did and she has said on TV that her plumbing works, complete with electricity, and so I must have fallen into the 10% (or 30%) failure column. My clit works, but not well. I can get there, but it takes a LOT more concentration then it ever did before.

I met a woman at work some years ago that sought me out as a known post-op for some advice. She connected with me a couple of years later after her SRS and explained that Meltzer had done an excellent job on her and that her electricity works just fine. She explained that she has had success with sex with men, but still prefers women. We didn't get into further detail (not for lack of modesty, but for lack of time - we chatted for about 4 hours and couldn't touch on half of what we each wanted to cover), but she convinced me to contact Meltzer for an opinion.

It wasn't encouraging. His office responded to my query saying that Biber amputated some nerve group as part of his technique and that once gone there was no chance of recovery. They did suggest I fly to Phoenix for an exam and consult tho, and I am seriously considering it.

I can tell you that my vagina is made of scrotal tissue, that it is smooth and soft (I actually had to ask my partner to check 'cause I can't!) and that it is inelastic. It is insensate unless stressed, and that is painful. All other considerations aside, I would personally be extremely cautious having someone/something enter me, I am tight, shallow, and insensitive unless it hurts.

I admit to significant disappointment in the quality of my SRS, but then I was one of the earlier ones and that was one of the prices I paid. I also admit that I wouldn't have gotten around to SRS at all probably if I hadn't been forced to to get a passport (covered in some other post I made yesterday) but that after I had gone through the trouble and expense I have realized a number of benefits that, to me, FAR outweigh some difficulty in achieving orgasm. And I don't think you will have anywhere near the liklihood of poor results given the vast experience the top surgeons have amassed over the years.

When I think back on my life (I am in that life stage where people do that) and wonder if it would have been better to wait for the surgeons to get more experience first, I have to say no - I am glad I did it. I wish I had done it much, much sooner. Just the total lack of concern, freedom from being afraid of being challenged or discovered to have the wrong sex was worth it. I was passing and living what now seems to be called the RLE for many years before I even understood a surgical remedy was realistically possible, but there was always that niggling fear of discovery, discomfort with intimacy, that marred an otherwise perfectly happy existence. Now I am not afraid.

I know you have already heard the stories about how satisfied people are that they have done it and that you are more interested in the details of how well it all works, but I have it on very good authority from a recent Meltzer woman that it does work very well, and I can tell you for myself that it was worth it even when it doesn't work that well.

I wish I was in your shoes and could do it again now tho. Again, I wouldn't hesitate.

Allison

[Guest N. Jane]

Well I am a Biber girl, class of '74 and have great sensitivity. It was only 6 weeks between surgery and my first orgasm so I am not complaining.

My clit is sensitive but the most sensitive (arousing) is the labia minora and the opening to the vagina. All orgasms were vaginal up until a few years ago and everything is nicely erotic. Somewhere in the last 30+ years I seem to have developed a G-spot (don't ask me how that happened because I don't know) and that makes some wonderful orgasms. I also am quite sure that the sensitivity increased considerably over the years.

If other surgeons get better results (functionally) I don't know if I am envious for those girls or pity them LOL!