Fed Judge In OK Will Allow Criminalization of Trans Youth Health Care

[Carolyn Marie]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/federal-judge-oklahoma-clears-ban-medical-care-transgender-103799584

 

So very stupid.  What will happen when Oklahomans see doctors going to prison for trying to help trans young people to survive and be healthy?  Are they that bigoted and idiotic? 

 

Carolyn Marie

[Charlize]

Perhaps in blue states we should consider criminalizing care for members of the GOP or cis male white heterosexuals.  

This is simply shameful.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

[KayC]

The ruling by the judge makes it sound like all children in Oklahoma are wards of the state ... or at least Trans-children are. 

 

I cannot imagine the pain and anxiety of these children and their parents in having to endure this type of discrimination.  Since it's a federal judge that ruled I hope this does not crossover into other/blue states. 

[Ivy]

 

8 hours ago, Carolyn Marie said:

Are they that bigoted and idiotic?

Yup, afraid so.

 

1 hour ago, KayC said:

children in Oklahoma are wards of the state ... or at least Trans-children are. 

Trans children - and trans people in general - are becoming 2nd class citizens.

 

The transphobes argue that trans people don't need protection, because they have the same rights as everyone else.  While at the same time, they take away trans people's right to health care.

[VickySGV]

Here we are with a person whose own ethics against harm are still not in place in the highest court in the U.S. making a shallow judgment, against a profession whose ethical model's oldest manuscript dates back to 275 AD (Oldest known fragment of a papyrus of the Hippocratic Oath  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath).  Even there, the doctors I know take their oaths seriously while legal ethics are bargainable, and legislative ethics say that the highest bidder takes all. 

 

There is also the irony here that parents who wish to defy the laws of good sense in their child's health by prudent use of vaccinations and other generally accepted health practices can deny these to their children (without the child's consent) as a right against the public, but parents who seek the best and most effective medical care for children with the child's full knowledge and participation in their care, MUST be prohibited from doing so.  HMMMM>

[awkward-yet-sweet]

9 hours ago, Charlize said:

Perhaps in blue states we should consider criminalizing care for members of the GOP or cis male white heterosexuals. 

 

I'd rather we not imagine that, even in jest.  Could be taken out of context...

 

7 hours ago, KayC said:

Since it's a federal judge that ruled I hope this does not crossover into other/blue states. 

 

I think we'd end up in the weird position of federal judges contradicting each other.  This will end up in the Supreme Court.  It has to, so that for good or for ill we have an end to the uncertainty.

 

4 hours ago, VickySGV said:

Here we are with a person whose own ethics against harm are still not in place in the highest court in the U.S. making a shallow judgment, against a profession whose ethical model's oldest manuscript dates back to 275 AD (Oldest known fragment of a papyrus of the Hippocratic Oath  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath).  Even there, the doctors I know take their oaths seriously while legal ethics are bargainable, and legislative ethics say that the highest bidder takes all. 

 

There is also the irony here that parents who wish to defy the laws of good sense in their child's health by prudent use of vaccinations and other generally accepted health practices can deny these to their children (without the child's consent) as a right against the public, but parents who seek the best and most effective medical care for children with the child's full knowledge and participation in their care, MUST be prohibited from doing so.  HMMMM>

 

FWIW, a lot of doctors don't swear the Hippocratic Oath, and some don't have any oath at all.  I was mistaken in my impression that they did, and I asked my husband's mother about it.  She got her M.D. 40+ years ago, and there was no Hippocratic Oath...and not at some backwater school, either, but a "Top 5" school.  Some places use a variant of the Hippocratic Oath, but it doesn't seem consistent.  I think it would be beneficial if everybody had it. 

 

I agree with your point about irony.  It seems to be a big factor in our political system.  Both major political groups claim to want medical freedom.  However, the Democrats want mandatory medical insurance, a centralized system, and mandatory vaccinations.  The Republicans want to ban abortion and ban parents from seeking help for their childrens' gender issues.  I believe that both sides are inconsistent, deceptive, and reprehensible. 

 

Neither party matches my own simple perspective, which is this:  Leave me alone in all things!  Don't tax me, don't force me.  Just go away!