To miss with your brain a little...

[RaineOnYourParade]

What if we're all processing color differently and what one person thinks of purple as is actually what another person would call orange? And we're just used to calling them the same ways since the way we learn colors is by looking at pictures of things with that color?

[Ashley0616]

1 minute ago, RaineOnYourParade said:

What if we're all processing color differently and what one person thinks of purple as is actually what another person would call orange? And we're just used to calling them the same ways since the way we learn colors is by looking at pictures of things with that color?

Very true. The same could be used for animals too. 

[Vidanjali]

1 hour ago, RaineOnYourParade said:

What if we're all processing color differently and what one person thinks of purple as is actually what another person would call orange? And we're just used to calling them the same ways since the way we learn colors is by looking at pictures of things with that color?

 

1 hour ago, Ashley0616 said:

Very true. The same could be used for animals too. 

 

If you include all animals and insects, then there's no doubt that we do. It's actually quite a profound question. If you look at it from a broader point of view, every living thing experiences their own world because not only do we all perceive things in slightly different ways, but our memories, experiences & desires also color the world we see. There are countless worlds within worlds! Can you then say that any single one is the "real world"? The best news is that each of us has the power to see a gentler world by changing our perspective. Though that's sometimes easier said than done & often a very subtle and internal matter. 

 

There's a lovely David Attenborough series on Netflix called Life in Color which uses technology to explore how different animals see their world.

https://www.netflix.com/title/81036559

[Ivy]

5 hours ago, RaineOnYourParade said:

What if we're all processing color differently and what one person thinks of purple as is actually what another person would call orange?

I mean… We're probably all doing this in some manner.  We might just agree on what we perceive that we perceive.  This is one heck of a rabbit hole.  We might perceive things completely differently, but think it's the same because we agree…  

 

My cat and I certainly perceive things differently when she wakes me up at 04:15 to open the door so she can go outside and chase small rodents.

I'm not sure we could find our way around inside someone else's head, and certainly not a kitty's.  

 

And then, why is it "in our head"?  The brain is just the hardware.  Are we all running the same OS?   Sure doesn't seem like it.  

 

I spent one night trying to tell the people I was with that 1÷0 was infinity.  They just told me you can't divide by zero.  IDK, made sense to me - still does, actually.  But then, I'm not an educated person, so…

 

I don't think we're the hardware or the software, but something else.  IDK.  Maybe the energy they're running on?

We kinda feel that energy sometimes, but we mostly don't think about it.

 

As Theodor Geisel said, "Oh, the Thinks You Can Think!"

 

I love it.

[RaineOnYourParade]

I just noticed the typo I made in the title. Please excuse me while I go scream into a pillow.

[Vidanjali]

@Ivy I believe there's a distinction between brain and mind although it's common to conflate the two. Brain is part of the nervous system and consists of inert matter. Mind is ultimately One, but through ignorance we perceive diversity and multiplicity. If mind were absolutely free of ignorance, then one would experience a double consciousness, still perceiving the world, yet aware of its illusoriness. 

 

I am a mathematician. Practically speaking you cannot divide by 0. In algebra we say 1/0 "is undefined". That is, it's not possible to point to 1/0 on the number line. In analysis or calculus, we say that 1/0 "is of indeterminate form" which indicates certain consequences depending on context.

 

However, in terms of what's known as a "limit process", we CAN point towards infinity on a 2 dimensional coordinate system. 

 

Consider the expression 1/x, where x can take on any value on the number line except 0 where the expression is undefined. If start with a large positive value for x, and then let x get smaller and smaller, tending towards 0, then we see the expression 1/x tending toward infinity. For example, 1/2 = 0.5, 1/1 = 1, 1/(1/2) = 2, 1/(1/3) = 3,... keep dividing 1 by smaller and smaller fractions and the result is a series of ever increasing values. Here's a picture. Similarly see that if you start with x being a large value negative number and then input smaller and smaller negative fractions for x, the corresponding outputs are ever increasingly large negative values. In that case 1/x tends to negative infinity. 

 

Here's another way to think about it. Take a piece of paper and try cutting it into zero pieces. How would you approach it? You could tear it up into such tiny pieces that you can barely see individual pieces. Then, you could put those many tiny pieces into an atom blaster. Now you have countless atomic particles. And if those could be further decomposed and then further decomposed, ad infinitum, you would theoretically have infinitely many "paper" particles (can't rightly call it paper after some point, but this is not meant to be a practical example.)

 

[Ivy]

8 minutes ago, RaineOnYourParade said:

I just noticed the typo I made in the title. Please excuse me while I go scream into a pillow.

That's what I mean.  I had no trouble reading it.

[Vidanjali]

14 minutes ago, RaineOnYourParade said:

I just noticed the typo I made in the title. Please excuse me while I go scream into a pillow.

 

Well, if you insert commas it could be a template for the salutation of a letter.

 

To miss, with your brain, a little

To sir, with all my heart, bunches

 

See? 🤪

[Ivy]

4 minutes ago, Vidanjali said:

Take a piece of paper and try cutting it into zero pieces. How would you approach it?

LOL.  I'd probably use a match.   But still, particles till I don't know what…

At some point we get beyond matter I suppose.

[Vidanjali]

4 minutes ago, Ivy said:

LOL.  I'd probably use a match.

 

Lol gitter dun 😆

 

4 minutes ago, Ivy said:

At some point we get beyond matter I suppose.

 

At that point matter doesn't matter lol

[Ivy]

21 minutes ago, Vidanjali said:

…further decomposed, ad infinitum, you would theoretically have infinitely many…

I recall the phrase "approaching infinity".  Like you can always have a point between two points.  And we have black holes, and event horizons.  And now linked particles…   Sometimes I think we only understand things when we don't.

 

But we still have to function in this practical world, even if it makes no sense. 

 

Well, it's Babushka's bedtime.  G'nite, y'all.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

A little?  This thread was supposed to mess with my brain just A LITTLE?  I never had illusions about being particularly clever, but this stuff turned my brain into a pretzel.  🙄😂

 

 

[Mirrabooka]

8 hours ago, Vidanjali said:

However, in terms of what's known as a "limit process", we CAN point towards infinity on a 2 dimensional coordinate system. 

Pfft. Chuck Norris has counted to infinity. Twice.  

[Heather Shay]

Ever notice the pictures of words that describe colors but aren't in the actual color they supposedly represent, so your hypothesis is an interesting one.

[Vidanjali]

9 hours ago, Mirrabooka said:

Pfft. Chuck Norris has counted to infinity. Twice.  

 

Ha! 

[RaineOnYourParade]

15 hours ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

A little?  This thread was supposed to mess with my brain just A LITTLE?  I never had illusions about being particularly clever, but this stuff turned my brain into a pretzel.  🙄😂

 

 

 

I have caused my daily dose of suffering /j

[Rishaya]

Neuroscientist here!   Our eyes send electrical signals to the brain.  That’s it, electrical impulses.   Then the brain processes these signals into what we see in other parts of the brain.  If these same electrical impulses go toma part of the brain that is responsible for something else other than vision, let’s say taste.   Then you would “taste” what you “see”

[RaineOnYourParade]

1 minute ago, Rishaya said:

Neuroscientist here!   Our eyes send electrical signals to the brain.  That’s it, electrical impulses.   Then the brain processes these signals into what we see in other parts of the brain.  If these same electrical impulses go toma part of the brain that is responsible for something else other than vision, let’s say taste.   Then you would “taste” what you “see”

That kinda makes me wonder what the different colors would taste like in theory 

[awkward-yet-sweet]

44 minutes ago, RaineOnYourParade said:

That kinda makes me wonder what the different colors would taste like in theory 

 

Well, Skittles has always told us to "taste the rainbow" 😏

[Heather Shay]

interesting discussion

[Rishaya]

Ivy, do you speak Russian.  I was wondering about your babyshka referance.

[Rishaya]

The brain creates the mind.   

[Vidanjali]

2 hours ago, Rishaya said:

The brain creates the mind.   

 

How do you define mind? 

[Ivy]

42 minutes ago, Vidanjali said:

How do you define mind? 

Oh Lord…

This could turn into something.

 

3 hours ago, Rishaya said:

Ivy, do you speak Russian.  

No. I just like the look.  I feel at home with it.  I grew up in the 50's and it was pretty common in NY State in the winter.  I come from Swedes and Germans.  

[emeraldmountain2]

3 hours ago, Rishaya said:

The brain creates the mind.   

Or perhaps the mind creates the brain.