Update on Bubba Copeland - the Alabama Trans Minister

[KayC]

Ran across this update and a great investigative report on the Alabama Baptist minister that was 'outed' and subsequently committed suicide.  A true human tragedy.

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a60329614/bubba-copeland-death-lgbt-trans-outing/

[Ivy]

Paywall.

[KayC]

Sorry @Ivy.  I was able to view to entire article without an account/subscription.  I will try to find another link.

 

[KayC]

Here's a condensed version of the story on another site, with links to more background articles.  Hope it works for everybody.

https://www.al.com/news/2024/04/the-tragic-last-days-of-bubba-copeland-i-cant-do-this-no-more.html

[VickySGV]

It does link in your original source there.  We need to re-write and define what murder is and then go after the folks pulling the baloney on people.  In his case, we should have had such laws a generation ago though.  Hate is passed on that way..

 

[awkward-yet-sweet]

29 minutes ago, VickySGV said:

We need to re-write and define what murder is

 

As tragic as events like this are, I cannot agree with this part.  We've had 100+ years of well-meaning "there oughtta be a law" type stuff, and all we've got is massive taxes, a corrupt and bloated federal government, and an incarceration rate bested only by 4 other nations....which happen to be authoritarian hellholes that people flee from at the first opportunity.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/262962/countries-with-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/

 

We already have laws....tons of laws, making everything from soup to nuts illegal.  Some sources estimate that we could all unknowingly be committing 3 felonies a day.  https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/588915-how-congress-made-you-a-federal-criminal/   I do not believe that tragic events will be prevented by more or different laws, and I do not believe that human nature, morals, or values can possibly be changed for the better by the state.  We could even adopt rigorous enforcement of all existing laws and the only thing that will accomplish is more folks on the state's guest list at the Big Concrete Hotel. 

 

Perhaps John Adams said it best, "Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people.  It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."  The 20th and 21st centuries have been full of attempts at destroying faith, family, and nation here in the USA.  Culture has focused on ease and super-abundance instead of labor.  Now we see the fruits.  We have a noticeable number of folks who spend time pestering, annoying, destroying others, and sowing social disorder.  A good many work in "media."  A great many more ape the media's style on free platforms, somehow "blessed" with plenty of time to make mischief rather than putting their hands to honest employment. 

[Ivy]

So, "1819 News" was only exercising their right to free speech when they hounded a man to the point of suicide.   I don't think we can rely on the "law" to protect us anyway.  That kinda depends on who is enforcing it.

 

"Bubba" was obviously well liked in his community, which still supported him.  His "kink," if that was what it was, was hurting no one.

I have been bullied at times in my life, and it is hard to live with.

So, I suppose the fine, upright and decent folks at 1819 News committed no crime, but that doesn't mean they don't share in the guilt for his death.

[Abigail Genevieve]

On 4/14/2024 at 9:27 AM, Ivy said:

So, "1819 News" was only exercising their right to free speech when they hounded a man to the point of suicide.   I don't think we can rely on the "law" to protect us anyway.  That kinda depends on who is enforcing it.

 

"Bubba" was obviously well liked in his community, which still supported him.  His "kink," if that was what it was, was hurting no one.

I have been bullied at times in my life, and it is hard to live with.

So, I suppose the fine, upright and decent folks at 1819 News committed no crime, but that doesn't mean they don't share in the guilt for his death.

I agree.  But sometimes unethical conduct must still be legal, because the cure would be worse than the disease.  One problem we have today with the internet is the trolls can gang up on someone and destroy them - we see the with school bullying as well.

 

He was in the Southern Baptist Convention, and maybe he should have moved his church over to say the American Baptists, who might have been able to help him. A Southern Baptist pastor is king in his church, peerless, which means he could not have gone for help in his church.  And he could not have gone for help from any other pastor in the SBC because they likely affirm the SBC statements on these matters.  I think he was stuck. 

 

I read this when it came out in the news.  Very sad situation.