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By Ivy · Posted
Like @MaeBe pointed out, Trump won't do these things personally. I doubt that he actually gives a rat's a$$ himself. But he is the foot in the door for the others. I don't really see this. Personally, I am all in favor of "traditional" families. I raised my own kids this way and it can work fine. But I think we need to allow for other variations as well. One thing working against this now is how hard it is for a single breadwinner to support a family. Many people (I know some) would prefer "traditional" if they could actually afford it. Like I mentioned, we raised our family with this model, but we were always right at the poverty level. I was a "conservative evangelical" for most of my life, actually. So I do understand this. Admittedly, I no longer consider myself one. I have family members still in this camp. Some tolerate me, one actually rejects me. I assure you the rejection is on her side, not mine. But, I understand she believes what she is doing is right - 'sa pity though. I mean no insult toward anyone on this forum. You're free to disagree with me. Many people do. This is a pretty complex one. Socialism takes many forms, many of which we accept without even realizing it. "Classism" does exist, for what it's worth. Always has, probably always will. But I don't feel like that is a subject for this forum. As for the election, it's shaping up to be another one of those "hold your nose" deals. -
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By Ivy · Posted
Yeah. In my early teens I trained myself out of a few things that I now wish I hadn't. -
By Abigail Genevieve · Posted
I was thinking in particular of BLM, who years ago had a 'What We Believe' section that sounded like they were at war with the nuclear family. I tried to find it. Nope. Of interest https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/ My time is limited and I will try to answer as I can. -
By Ivy · Posted
Well, I suppose it is possible that they don't actually plan on doing what they say. I'm not too sure I want to take that chance. But I kinda expect to find out. Yet, perhaps you're right and it's all just talk. And anyway, my state GOP is giving me enough to worry about anyway. I remember a time when being "woke" just meant you were paying attention. Now it means you are the antichrist. I just don't want the government "protecting" me from my personal "delusions." -
By MaeBe · Posted
1. I think there are some legitimate concern. 2. Thoroughly discussing this will consume many threads. 3. I disagree partially with @MaeBe but there is partial agreement. 4. The context includes what is happening in society that the authors are observing. It is not an isolated document. The observation is through a certain lens, because people do things differently doesn't mean they're doing it wrong. Honestly, a lot of the conservative rhetoric is morphing desires of people to be treated with respect and social equity to be tantamount to the absolution of the family, heterosexuality, etc. Also, being quiet and trying to blend in doesn't change anything. Show me a social change that benefits a minority or marginalized group that didn't need to be loud. 5. Trump, if elected, is as likely to spend his energies going after political opponents as he is to implementing something like this. Trump will appoint people to do this, like Roger Severino (who was appointed before, who has a record of anti-LGBTQ+ actions), he need not do anything beyond this. His people are ready to push this agenda forward. While the conservative right rails about bureaucracy, they intend to weaponize it. There is no question. They don't want to simplify government, they simply want to fire everyone and bring in conservative "warriors" (their rhetoric). Does America survive 4 year cycles of purge/cronyism? 6. I reject critical theory, which is based on Marxism. Marxism has never worked and never will. Critical theory has problems which would need time to go into, which I do not have. OK, but this seems like every other time CRT comes up with conservatives...completely out of the blue. I think it's reference is mostly just to spark outrage from the base. Definitely food thought for a different thread, though. 7. There are groups who have declared war on the nuclear family as problematically patriarchal, and a lot of other terms. They are easy to find on the internet. This document is reacting to that (see #4 above). What is the war on the nuclear family? I searched online and couldn't find much other than reasons why people aren't getting married as much or having kids (that wasn't a propaganda from Heritage or opinions pieces from the right that paint with really broad strokes). Easy things to see: the upward mobility and agency of women, the massive cost of rearing children, general negative attitudes about the future, male insecurity, etc. None of this equates to a war on the nuclear family, but I guess if you look at it as "men should be breadwinners and women must get married for financial support and extend the male family line (and to promote "National Greatness") I could see the decline of marriage as a sign of the collapse of a titled system and, if I was a beneficiary of that system or believe that to NOT be tilted, be aggrieved. 8. Much of this would have to be legislated, and this is a policy documented. Implementation would be most likely different, but that does not mean criticism is unwarranted. "It might be different if you just give it a chance", unlike all the other legislation that's out there targeting LGBTQ+ from the right, these are going to be different? First it will be trans rights, then it will be gay marriage, and then what? Women's suffrage? I get it, we may have different compasses, but it's not hard to see that there's no place for queer people in the conservative worldview. There seems to be a consistent insistence that "America was and is no longer Great", as if the 1950s were the pinnacle of society, completely ignoring how great America still is and can continue to be--without having to regress society to the low standards of its patriarchal yesteryears. -
By awkward-yet-sweet · Posted
Cadillac parts are pretty expensive, so repairing them costs more. But they don't seem to break down more than other makes. Lots of Lincoln models use Ford cars as a base, so you can get parts that aren't much more expensive. My family has had good luck with "Panther platform" cars. Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Marquis, Lincoln Towncar or Continental. 4.6 V8 and 5.0 V8. Reasonable fuel economy, and fairly durable. Our county sheriff's office was running Chargers and SUV's for a while, but has gone back to older Crown Victorias for ease of maintenance. GF rebuilds them here. But they are getting more scarce, since the newest ones were made in 2011. 1992-1997 years were different than the later years. 1998-2001 they did some changes, and apparently the best years are 2003 to 2011. Check Craigslist, and also government auctions. GF has gotten a lot of them at auction, and they can be had in rough-but-running shape for around $1,000. Ones in great shape can be found in the $5,000+ range. Good for 200,000 miles without significant rebuilding. Go through engine and transmission and electrical systems, and they go half a million. Some Chrysler models are OK. The 300 mostly has the same engines as the Charger and Challenger, so parts availability is pretty good. But they tend to get timing issues. The older Chrysler Sebring convertibles were pretty reliable, sometimes going 200,000 miles without tons of problems, although after that they were pretty much worn out. -
By Abigail Genevieve · Posted
I think I have read everything the Southern Baptists have to say on transgender, and it helped convince me they are dead wrong on these issues. They can be nice people. I would never join an SBC church. -
By Abigail Genevieve · Posted
You come across as a thoughtful, sweet, interesting and pleasant person. There are parts of this country, and more so the world, where evangelicals experience a great deal of finger wagging. -
By awkward-yet-sweet · Posted
It has been an interesting experience being in a marriage in a Christian faith community, yet being intersex/trans. I stay pretty quiet, and most have kind of accepted that I'm just the strange, harmless exception. "Oh, that's just Jen. Jen is...different." I define success as being a person most folks just overlook. -
By awkward-yet-sweet · Posted
Well, I live in an area with a lot of Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, etc... We've experienced our share of finger-wagging, as the "standard interpretation" of Scripture in the USA is that the Bible only approves of "one man, one woman" marriage. My faith community is mostly accepted here, but that has taken time and effort. It can be tough at times to continue to engage with culture and the broader population, and avoid the temptation to huddle up behind walls like a cult. Tolerance only goes so far. At one point, my husband was asked to run for sheriff. He declined, partly because an elected official with four wives would have a REALLY tough time. (Of course, making way less than his current salary wasn't an option either). -
By Abigail Genevieve · Posted
My bone structure is far more female than male. I can't throw like a guy, which has been observed by guys numerous times, and moving like a woman is more natural. It just is. I'm not going out of my way to act in a fem. way, as you say, but I am letting go of some of the 'I am not going to move like that because I am a guy' stuff I have defensively developed. The other breaks through anyway - there were numerous looks from people at work when I would use gestures that are forbidden to men, or say something spontaneously no guy would ever say. At one point, maybe a year or more ago, I said it was unfair for people to think they were dealing with a man when they were actually dealing with a woman. Girl here. 'What is a woman' is a topic for another day. -
By Willow · Posted
Mom, I’m home! What’s for lunch? Leftover pizza . ok. Not exactly our conversation but there is truth in the answer. @KymmieLsorry you are sick. Feel better soon. Girl mode, boy mode no mode, not us. Nothing functional for either of us. anyone here have or had a 10 year old (plus or minus) Caddy, Lincoln or Chrysler? How was it? Lots of repairs? Comfortable seats? Anything positive or negative about it? I need to replace my 2004 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer, it’s eating $100 dollar bills and needs a couple of thousand dollars worth of work and that doesn’t even fix the check engine code. Obviously, it isn’t worth putting that kind of money into a 20 year old car with a 174 thousand miles. Willow -
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By Abigail Genevieve · Posted
I think you mean the worst possible interpretation of 2025 situation. Keep in mind that there are those who will distort and downright lie about anything coming from conservatives - I have seen it time and time again. It's one of the reasons I want to read the thing slowly and carefully. They want you to be very, very afraid.
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