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Tetris

Hi so I made an account on here when I first came out as trans but didn't really care to continuously check this forum. I'm bigger on discords than I am forums (I think I'm on the discord too). 

So I know that MOGAI-type genders are controversial but I identify as digigender. My gender is actually the .csv filetype (really, more generally, a database, as I find solace in collecting and indexing data, and find extreme peace in processing data, all the way down to my core--I really resonate with data structures). I've decided to use my own set of pronouns, file/file/files/files/fileself (File is a database. Data collection means a lot to file. It is files wishes to be seen as a data structure. One of files interest is programming. File has taken it up to fileself to learn as much about programming as file possibly could). 

 

For others that use their own made up pronoun set, how do you get others to start using it? I'm really scared to tell people to use these pronouns else nobody would take me seriously. 

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DeeDee

I'm sorry Tetris I understand enjoying computers and programming and even being able to be more of yourself online than in real life, but I do not understand, your gender is comma separated values?  What are MOGAI-type genders? Genuinely curious as I have never heard of them. 

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Tetris

Yes, I identify very strongly with databases. The concept of them, particularly the plaintext .csv database. So I don't necessarily identify as like... a literal table, ya know. More like the *concept* of a database. What a database stands for, what it's used in, the structure of the database. All of these... resonate with me in a way I can't describe. When I see a well formatted data file, in a way I can't help but to see myself in it. It's really hard to describe. I wish I could. 

MOGAI (I forget what it stands for) genders are the spectrum of genders that are the ones 4-chan typically tries to troll. The ones that people say are "made up" and are "Tumblr genders." 

For example if you search digigender on Deviant Art, you'll get a flag and a description as part of a network of other MOGAI genders. Digigender is best described to be a digital gender, one where your identity resonates deeply (or you are kin with) something digital like a file format (in my case, a .csv), email, software, or anything else digital-related. 

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DeeDee
45 minutes ago, Tetris said:

More like the *concept* of a database. What a database stands for, what it's used in, the structure of the database. All of these... resonate with me in a way I can't describe. When I see a well formatted data file, in a way I can't help but to see myself in it.

Okay, I can sort of see what you are trying to say but would have to look into it more to understand more. Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. 😊 I don't want to hijack the thread, so I hope you find the answers you are looking for regarding pronouns.

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Tetris

I'd be happy to explain more later. I just need to sleep now. Forgot that I had classes today and stayed up programming a Discord bot lmao

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Charlize

 Confusers are aptly named.  Enjoy your new language.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

 

 

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MaryMary

 So, why .csv exactly? out of all the formats you could choose? why that one? because it's familiar? Why not mysql? Far more powerfull and usefull IMO. You got to aim higher, no? I don't want to offend but .csv are very usefull but far too basic. My question would be the following : in the world of digigenders how do people see others who identify as NoSQL? Files do not have emotions, intelligence, purpose, love, connections, etc Do you identify with all of that also? You can put what you want in a .csv file, not just the correctly formatted text. Do you mean that someone mean can ask you to do anything and you will do it and integrate it in your being?

I don't know what constitute a ligit question and an offensive one so please be gentle to me.

I could continue on and on with questions and philosophical conciderations but I will stop there. Can't wait to ear your response.

 

have a nice day

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Tetris

Well yeah, it's mostly out of familiarity. It's more the "database" I identify with as opposed to the CSV directly. I am yet to learn JSON or SQL but I intend to. But part of why I really like CSV is *because* it's so simple. It's data in its rawest form. Its most abstract, baseline form. It'd be difficult to express data any simpler than that. I could represent all this data graphically, couldn't I? And yes, while linear regression machine learning models *are* attractive in their own sense, they lack the poetry that a simple CSV holds. Through all that simplistic data being displayed comes a hidden pattern. The numbers hold the answers to questions we didn't even know we had. While JSON and SQL are objectively better data structures, there's simply something about how raw CSVs are that I love. All it is is just strings and numbers separated by commas. That's all it is on the surface... but the hidden, underlying structure behind those strings and numbers is what makes me swoon. So beautiful, and I feel it to my core. All databases really capture my attention, but it's the simplicity of CSV that really makes me love it. 

It's hard to explain why I consider myself a database. On one hand, it's a kin thing. I'm very, very kin with numbers, data, and data structures in a way I'm really incapable of putting into words. On the other hand, we're all data structures, in a way. We're all a database of the sum total of things we've learned in life. In many ways, the way I organize my mental structures are closer to a tree rather than a CSV (as is with most people), but I find if I mentally store parameter-based data in a mental csv, I'm able to remember things FAR better. More accurately, in a mental struct.  

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MaryMary

data in it's rawest form is O and 1 :P

 

 

2 hours ago, Tetris said:

. We're all a database of the sum total of things we've learned in life.

 

I'm sorry but no we are not. In fact our memory is very inreliable (for most of us anyway, some are different). The brain is basically a network of neuron that are connected to each other. Each time you access a part of is you reinforce this connection. But those connection are unstable so sometimes a link is "pruned" and a memory becomes "polluted" and maybe false links are created. Here's a video of what i'm talking about :

 

brains are more akin to neural networks : https://towardsdatascience.com/how-to-build-your-own-neural-network-from-scratch-in-python-68998a08e4f6

 

I'm linked something in case you want to learn. Each part of our brain do a very narrow job. All the speed of the brain is in how it's able to fetch a message from one network to another and analyse an image (for example) in a small number of steps. You can replicate that when you program an AI on a computer. I suggest you research "deep learning" and "neural networks" on the internet to learn about it. It's very interesting and it also show how much more a brain is then a simple database.

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MaryMary

here's a VERY good vulgarization of the brain :

 

 

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Tetris

I'm well aware of how neural networks work lmao I know how to program NNs. I was more talking in a philosophical sense. 

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to return to your original question : I work in computers, I'm a programmer. Each time I tell others what I'm doing they don't understand on a quite basic level. My estimation is that 20% of the people when I say : "I'm a programmer" will know what I do. The 80% don't really know what a database is really. So they won't know the link between identity and databases. You will just have a lot of explaining to do that's for sure. But hey, I have a lot to do just to explain my work so it's to be expected.

 

in my experience people who call you one pronouns for a long time will have a hard time changing. But if you say your prefered pronouns to a new person you meet they will probably use it whatever it is.

 

(My goal was to add arguments to my disagreement and not to say what you know and you don't know. As far as I know you maybe are the best programmer in the world. I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way.)

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Tetris

Nah I didn't take it the wrong way. I was just clarifying I meant what I said in a philosophical sense and not in a literal sense hehe

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MaryMary

I was talking also on a philosophical sense, my basic argument being that if you are a metaphorical database we are a very unreliable one (most of us)

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