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I think I have read everything the Southern Baptists have to say on transgender, and it helped convince me they are dead wrong on these issues. They can be nice people. I would never join an SBC church.

You come across as a thoughtful, sweet, interesting and pleasant person. There are parts of this country, and more so the world, where evangelicals experience a great deal of finger wagging.

It has been an interesting experience being in a marriage in a Christian faith community, yet being intersex/trans. I stay pretty quiet, and most have kind of accepted that I'm just the strange, harmless exception. "Oh, that's just Jen. Jen is...different." I define success as being a person most folks just overlook.

Well, I live in an area with a lot of Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, etc... We've experienced our share of finger-wagging, as the "standard interpretation" of Scripture in the USA is that the Bible only approves of "one man, one woman" marriage. My faith community is mostly accepted here, but that has taken time and effort. It can be tough at times to continue to engage with culture and the broader population, and avoid the temptation to huddle up behind walls like a cult. Tolerance only goes so far. At one point, my husband was asked to run for sheriff. He declined, partly because an elected official with four wives would have a REALLY tough time. (Of course, making way less than his current salary wasn't an option either).

My bone structure is far more female than male. I can't throw like a guy, which has been observed by guys numerous times, and moving like a woman is more natural. It just is. I'm not going out of my way to act in a fem. way, as you say, but I am letting go of some of the 'I am not going to move like that because I am a guy' stuff I have defensively developed. The other breaks through anyway - there were numerous looks from people at work when I would use gestures that are forbidden to men, or say something spontaneously no guy would ever say. At one point, maybe a year or more ago, I said it was unfair for people to think they were dealing with a man when they were actually dealing with a woman. Girl here. 'What is a woman' is a topic for another day.

Mom, I’m home! What’s for lunch? Leftover pizza . ok. Not exactly our conversation but there is truth in the answer. @KymmieLsorry you are sick. Feel better soon. Girl mode, boy mode no mode, not us. Nothing functional for either of us. anyone here have or had a 10 year old (plus or minus) Caddy, Lincoln or Chrysler? How was it? Lots of repairs? Comfortable seats? Anything positive or negative about it? I need to replace my 2004 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer, it’s eating $100 dollar bills and needs a couple of thousand dollars worth of work and that doesn’t even fix the check engine code. Obviously, it isn’t worth putting that kind of money into a 20 year old car with a 174 thousand miles. Willow

Oversized pink shirt, pink and black sports bra

I think you mean the worst possible interpretation of 2025 situation. Keep in mind that there are those who will distort and downright lie about anything coming from conservatives - I have seen it time and time again. It's one of the reasons I want to read the thing slowly and carefully. They want you to be very, very afraid.

Here is where the expectation is that the stereotypical evangelical comes in finger wagging, disapproving and condemning. Not gonna do that. You have to work these things out. Transgender issues put a whole different spin on everything and God understands what we are going through. I have enough trouble over here. :)

You do you. You seem to be in a safe place if we end up with a 2025 situation. But a lot of us are not.

Well, my marriage is different. I'm actually part of a multi-partner marriage. Like you see in the Book of Genesis. My husband has four wives...and me. I was kind of an accident, as our community sets the "reasonable maximum" at four wives, but that's a long story. Plural marriage is approved in my faith community, with the exception of spiritual leaders, as described in 1 Timothy 3. We believe that anything that isn't specifically prohibited is permitted. The purpose of marriage is for people to work together, demonstrate the love of God, and to have children. My faith believes in exponential reproduction - big families with lots of kids, both as a blessing and with the intention of using the size of our population for political ends. Being intersex/trans and unable to bear children, I wouldn't have been a good candidate to be somebody's only spouse (the majority of our community tends toward traditional couple marriage). Since my husband has other partners, I don't have to worry about the childbearing aspect, and I help out with raising our family's kids. I'm a "bonus parent." I'm not 100% open about my intersex/trans nature, although my community's leaders are aware of me. Being transgender isn't condemned, but it is seen as a health problem derived from an imperfect, fallen world and an environment polluted with chemicals. Since I'm married, I have a safe place to be, and I can live how I need to live. I firmly believe the advice given in 1 Corinthians 7. We don't totally own our bodies. God gets a say, as I believe He created us to be male or female, not something outside the binary. I don't think that transition without discussion with partners is OK....again, we don't totally own ourselves. When I started to figure myself out, that was actually the main thing on my mind - will my partners accept me? How will my position in the family change? Since my partners don't really have a problem with the mild version of transition that I wanted to do, it has all been good.

Indeed. While it seems like the majority of LGBTQ+ folks vote for Democrat candidates, not everybody drinks the Kool-Aid. I'm a registered Independent, since I vote for individuals rather than party. One of my trans friends is very pro-Trump - wears her MAGA hat and everything. I find it interesting to see the reactions she gets... folks aren't always as tolerant as they claim to be. Even on this forum, you get some real flak from Democrat voters....many will insist that the California way is the only way. In my opinion, "Project 2025" isn't the real problem. Check out UN "Agenda 2030."

While Biden may be more friendly to trans folks, I'm not a single-issue voter. I just can't choose a Democrat candidate, as I believe their actions will destroy my community and way of life. Biden just announced that he wants to significantly increase capital gains taxes. Maybe he intends to "tax the rich" but that is going to affect everything from land sales to grocery prices to the cost of electricity and even folks' retirement savings, as most companies make a large amount of their profits through investing in the market. It is absolute lunacy to think that increased cost or reduced profits won't be passed on to the rest of us. Things are going to get way worse at this rate. Mostly, I vote in elections for state and local issues, as the national government is about as pleasant as a Porta-Potty in July. So, either I'll do a write-in vote for president, or I'll check the box for Trump. Anything but Biden.

Interesting...never knew any of this. Of course, in my girl form I never got breasts, so I never had to worry about it. A couple of pieces of tape would have been sufficient... Sounds like fun It has been interesting for me since I stopped trying to do sex like a girl. The real surprise was my relationship with my husband, as he has figured me out pretty well.

Women's jeans, soft t-shirt that could go either way, flip-flops.

They were sitting on the love seat, looking west out over Kansas. Below them the busy city ran to and fro. "They called. My surgery has been rescheduled for May 8. I need to be there at 5 AM for pre-op. I start prescriptions and diet change on May 1." "Okay." Bob did his not-thinking-about anything look. Taylor was always amazed that he could actually be thinking about absolutely nothing. She was always thinking of at least six things. "How can they be like that?" "What?" He startled a little. Contact with reality was reestablished. "Where does the hate come from? Mrs. McArthur? She was always polite, but I think she wasn't really. Somehow she hated me even though there were no indications whatsoever." "Yeah, well, you know they are starting up that plant. And my company is going ahead with their work there, down n Milliville. I will have to go down there sometimes." "Oh, Bob." "Maybe I will stop by and ask her." "No." "No. Cabaret is closed, I have been told. Your transgender support group has scattered to other places." "What is wrong with those people?" "Same thing as Roosevelt, I guess. You know all the racial comments against Blacks? Like that game where our cheerleaders started this insulting cheer, an the opposite team was mostly Black? Teachers stopped it." "I didn't know. I was staying away from that, remember?" "Yes." "You know all those kids at our church, the ones you called freaks the other day?" "I shouldn't have called them that." "Pastor tells me they are all from all over the Midwest. These are kids who have been thrown out of their homes and were found on the street. Other shelters would not take them, so they wound up here." "Not surprising." "I think we could do some good here." "What do you have in mind?" And she told him.

You are spot on here ... but also it seems like such a rigged game for the average person that it's hard to invest energy into the political arena -- too much big money controlling too many people/organizations/narratives for the common person to fee; heard... In general, why we in America accept either candidate is baffling... for all our innovation as a nation, we can't do better than these two bozos? The problem is, the political arena is such a sham -- again with large money controlling all aspects of the system -- that a common-sense, love-your-neighbor, make-reasonable-compromises, roll-up-your-sleeves-and-get-to-work candidate will never make it anywhere above the local level (if even there)... Everything is a reality show, and boring ol' decision makers that try to benefit the most people don't generate enough clicks, views and retweets... I am not sure it is so much about celebrity as it is about party politics at all costs - "my side must always be viewed as right and your side must always be viewed as wrong!" kind of thinking... there is no consensus building anymore because that will get used against you in campaign ads... When Obama took office and then Hilary ran again, it was like all Republicans want to do was to find someone loud enough to put them in their place. Forget issues, forget character, just win a debate and rally the base. To get back to your original point, not enough of us care about politics ... and in some ways we've become fat, happy and entitled as a nation. The yearning to achieve the "American dream", which drove my parents and their parents before them to work their tails off and sacrifice and save, is now just "give me the American dream for free while I sit here on my phone and watch tiktok..."

You are in the right place.

I am about 5 weeks ahead of you ... best wishes to you! For me it has been subtle changes at most so far (if any) ... but I am also on the "beginner's" level of patch, lol ... Easy

Oh, another comment. I am a conservative evangelical with strong Republican leanings. So is my wife, my friends, my family. I disagree with a good amount of what the Republicans are doing, but there it is. I understand the mindset, I think, a lot better than those who are outside it do. When you insult Republicans you insult me, my friends, my family. People like me can struggle with trans issues. Please consider that in posting.

Then you are in despair.

I found this as well. No playacting, they just appear: the finger waggle wave; bracing my elbow on my other arm that's folded across my chest, wrist in the air half-cocked; walking a bit more fiercely... All that. My wife thought I was mocking her at one point!

I find my lack of time to read the thing frustrating, and I will not really comment until I have read it. This is a wholly inadequate response. 1. I think there are some legitimate concern. 2. Thoroughly discussing this will consume many threads. 3. I disagree partially with @MaeBe but there is partial agreement. 4. The context includes what is happening in society that the authors are observing. It is not an isolated document. 5. Trump, if elected, is as likely to spend his energies going after political opponents as he is to implementing something like this. 6. I reject critical theory, which is based on Marxism. Marxism has never worked and never will. Critical theory has problems which would need time to go into, which I do not have. 7. There are groups who have declared war on the nuclear family as problematically patriarchal, and a lot of other terms. They are easy to find on the internet. This document is reacting to that (see #4 above). 8. Much of this would have to be legislated, and this is a policy documented. Implementation would be most likely different, but that does not mean criticism is unwarranted.

Sort of bracing myself for flipping, because I am wearing f and of course I wear f and it is natural to wear f and what else would I wear? The novelty is long gone out on this. I wore a bra most of yesterday but we had a Zoom call and I took the bra off because I was concerned about the straps showing. I missed it. My body is saying "I am female! Treat me that way!" In the past it has screamed about this activity that I have done to it.

This is what I'm scared of. And it's quite possible. Apparently Chicken Little was right.