My Analogy

[Guest mia 1]

Last night I had a thought. What is the difference between CD/Andros and MTF's/

Well here is my thoughts a bit Freudian true..but that can't be helped.

A CD/Andro is born as a hot dog..and dressed in a hamburger bun....this gives them the ability to see and feel the feminine condition and is not a voluntary decision. They are true hot dogs but unlike the general male population they are given this gift of gender dysphoria and although at times it may be confusing the "bun' syndrome once accepted is a joy for us all.

The MTF's are born as true "burgers' but are given this hot dog bun as outerwear, a true mistake and although they feel all the emotions of womanhood from the time they are four or five yrs. old they have this darn hot dog outer look that confuses,and frustrates them..and of course they will eventually shed that bun and proudly be true "burgers inside and out.

Obviously this is the same for FTM's..and even more ...........obvious I want to go on a picnic..

See you all soon Love Mia .............

[Guest AllisonD]

Ah, it all becomes clear.

There are so many different viewpoints here, and I admit I accept them all at face value - I don't understand some of them at all, and since my understanding has absolutely no bearing at all on their validity, I have to take them at face value. But I do get the hot dog and hamburger thing... Very clever, and very clear.

I have never thought of myself as a hamburger before, but I certainly can relate to shedding the hot dog bun at my very earliest opportunity!

Allison

[Guest Joanna Phipps]

Last night I had a thought. What is the difference between CD/Andros and MTF's/

Well here is my thoughts a bit Freudian true..but that can't be helped.

A CD/Andro is born as a hot dog..and dressed in a hamburger bun....this gives them the ability to see and feel the feminine condition and is not a voluntary decision. They are true hot dogs but unlike the general male population they are given this gift of gender dysphoria and although at times it may be confusing the "bun' syndrome once accepted is a joy for us all.

The MTF's are born as true "burgers' but are given this hot dog bun as outerwear, a true mistake and although they feel all the emotions of womanhood from the time they are four or five yrs. old they have this darn hot dog outer look that confuses,and frustrates them..and of course they will eventually shed that bun and proudly be true "burgers inside and out.

Obviously this is the same for FTM's..and even more ...........obvious I want to go on a picnic..

See you all soon Love Mia .............

Either that or you have some weird fetish with hotdogs n burgers lol

[Guest Joanna Phipps]

Ah, it all becomes clear.

There are so many different viewpoints here, and I admit I accept them all at face value - I don't understand some of them at all, and since my understanding has absolutely no bearing at all on their validity, I have to take them at face value. But I do get the hot dog and hamburger thing... Very clever, and very clear.

I have never thought of myself as a hamburger before, but I certainly can relate to shedding the hot dog bun at my very earliest opportunity!

Allison

NODS, yep time to loose the wiener... not likin it one bit.... anymore of this would not be PG13 so cant say it...gmbo

[Guest Donna Jean]

That's good, Mia!...

I have to say that I am striving to be the very best Hambuger that I can be!

Love............

Donna Jean

[Carolyn Marie]

My hot dog has a first name,

Its O S C A R

My hot dog has a second name

Its M A Y E R

And if you eat it every day....

Oh, I can't go on, someone else will have to finish it.

Mia, that is a great analogy. But you forgot about the saurkraut. What does that represent?

Carolyn Marie

[Guest Evan_J]

My hot dog has a first name,

Its O S C A R

My hot dog has a second name

Its M A Y E R

And if you eat it every day....

Oh, I can't go on, someone else will have to finish it.

Mia, that is a great analogy. But you forgot about the saurkraut. What does that represent?

Carolyn Marie

Where are all the burgers who think this dirty????? ROFL Uh, (chuckling) nice post Mia.

[Guest Emily H]

An interesting perspective. I have my own analogy, but for a different matter. For this matter, that is the perfect analogy!

~Andrea

[Guest nova]

Hotdogs are fun to eat, but I wouldn't want to be one

[Sally]

Bad news for the guys, do you know what hot dogs are really made of?

And actually oncw the hamburger has shed that hot dog bun aren't we really just beef patties?

Not to be confused with Perrpermint Patties which are either cartoon girls who like playing baseball and Charlie Brown or it is a wonderful candy by York that is a giant mint covered with dark chocolate - I'll be back after a short raid on the kitchen.

Love ya,

Sally

[Sally]

My hot dog has a first name,

Its O S C A R

My hot dog has a second name

Its M A Y E R

And if you eat it every day....

Oh, I can't go on, someone else will have to finish it.

Mia, that is a great analogy. But you forgot about the saurkraut. What does that represent?

Carolyn Marie

That puts a whole new meaning into "I wish I were an Oscar Mayer weiner" for FTMs!

Where are all the burgers who think this dirty????? ROFL Uh, (chuckling) nice post Mia.

Oh, Evan!

Don't be such a weiner!

Or do be such a weiner - I'm so confused!

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest CharlieRose]

Very interesting.

Another difference, I think would be that gender expression is a preference. Men who prefer to wear women's clothing, women who prefer to wear men's. Whereas gender identity is a state of being, a need.

[Guest Emeraude]

Very interesting.

Another difference, I think would be that gender expression is a preference. Men who prefer to wear women's clothing, women who prefer to wear men's. Whereas gender identity is a state of being, a need.

Well, for me, I wouldn't agree. I don't feel that my cross-dressing is a choice as much as an...urge, maybe, at least. Or, at times, a compulsion. There are times when I would definitely choose not to have this complication in my life (and my wife definitely would). And my cross-dressing includes a wig, makeup and breastforms, so it goes beyond just a wardrobe choice, just not as far as a need for a permanent gender change. I think maybe the difference for me is that I want to be able to go back and forth--best of both worlds! (I won't even hazard a food analogy here!)

It's probably inaccurate to try to generalize any of this, since we're all such different people, and constantly changing even at that.

--Emeraude

[Guest Joanna Phipps]

Charlie does that mean you need the weiner... um nm the answer isnt PG13

[Guest Donna Jean]

(I won't even hazard a food analogy here!)

--Emeraude

Ok.......

You guys keep it up and you're gonna have Lizzy here ...all over this food analogy.......

Oh God.....I can just hear her now......

Donna Jean

[Guest Jean Davis]

I'm going to stay out of this one

It makes me hungry

Jean

[Sally]

Ok.......

You guys keep it up and you're gonna have Lizzy here ...all over this food analogy.......

Oh God.....I can just hear her now......

Donna Jean

Well she doesn't know about hot dogs but Andouille Sausage is a whole 'nother matter all together now.

Loves ya,

Sally

[Guest Evan_J]

Hotdogs are fun to eat, but I wouldn't want to be one

(cough) Here's a keycard to the closed section in the FtM lounge...you feel free to consider yourself a priviledged guest LOL (playing people!!!-and shame on all of y'all for listenin to me whisper lol)

weiner

You rang? lol

[Guest *Elizabeth Anne*]

My goodness! Even when I am not here - I am HERE!

Computer problems - may not see me as much! I crashed two computers at work ! Viruses? Donno - so laying low... hee hee.

I wish I was an OSCAR MAYER Weiner

That is truly what I want to be

For if I was an OSCAR MAYER Weiner

You could take a bite of me...

They had to rework that one I think....

My Baloney has a first name

It's O S C A R

My Baloney has a second name

Its M A Y E R

And if you eat it every day....

You will find They have a way

With B A L O N E A

Uhhhhhh - what?

Sorry - gotta go eat somethin!

AHAH - other half of a SUBWAY tuna fish and black olive Foot Long - with Jalopena peppers, and oil and vinegar! And a Chocolate Soldier Drink!

chocolate covere PEEPS too - wow - LAST EASTER! STILL GOOD IF ITS UNDER A YEAR, RIGHT!

Well - yummmy

Hot dog, buns and a lot of relish - REMEMBER THOSE DAYS!

Good analagy MIA!

If you are bi - double meat or double bun? I get confused... ANd what if you are a chicken nugget? I don't even want to know about tacos and tamalles...

Lizzy

[Guest Donna Jean]

See?

I warned ya..........

Donna Jean

[Guest CharlieRose]

Well, for me, I wouldn't agree. I don't feel that my cross-dressing is a choice as much as an...urge, maybe, at least. Or, at times, a compulsion. There are times when I would definitely choose not to have this complication in my life (and my wife definitely would). And my cross-dressing includes a wig, makeup and breastforms, so it goes beyond just a wardrobe choice, just not as far as a need for a permanent gender change. I think maybe the difference for me is that I want to be able to go back and forth--best of both worlds! (I won't even hazard a food analogy here!)

It's probably inaccurate to try to generalize any of this, since we're all such different people, and constantly changing even at that.

--Emeraude

True, true, I kind of forgot about that. Thinking now of the counterpart, too, a butch woman wearing a dress, (world of no!) that's, yeah, that's a bit more than a preference, eh?

What would be a better word... Demand? Psychological demand?

In my personal experience from the other end of the pond, my need is not a demand, compulsion, nothing like that. It's just... me. The need is that when I wasn't calling myself he and wearing boys clothes I would cry myself to sleep every night. I have some OCD so I know what compulsions are like, this isn't as immediate as that, it's just a chronic, constant nagging need that gets worse over time, like hunger.

And Joanna, ha ha, I would ask you to go into more detail... but I won't.

[Guest mia 1]

'Emeraude'

Well, for me, I wouldn't agree. I don't feel that my cross-dressing is a choice as much as an...urge, maybe, at least. Or, at times, a compulsion. There are times when I would definitely choose not to have this complication in my life

And my cross-dressing includes a wig, makeup and breastforms, so it goes beyond just a wardrobe choice, just not as far as a need for a permanent gender change. I think maybe the difference for me is that I want to be able to go back and forth--best of both worlds!

No there is no choice and there is no compulsion it is simply who we are like throwing a ball left handed or right..this is who we are and you can't fight it, wife(which we all seem to have)or not..how we have it is a mystery but we do and we live this dual gender existence..and that is our gender code we didn't choose it..we may have tried to stop it..but it "ain't gonna happen"..we are the same as the transgendered in our own way..just less painful( SRS) and less expensive(HRT) but we are part of our dear sisters and brothers....

We just have to accept it.....and embrace its mystery.....Mia

[Guest ChloëC]

Picnic and grilling foods aside, I think it interesting that a number of us here that have selected 'Crossdresser' for our profile, have selected feminine names for our online presence. (I put down 'Transgender' for this exact reason.)

I would think a 'plain' crossdresser would be like some of the members here who are going by male names.

That we have chosen our female persona to appear here seems to suggest that there's a lot more going on for some of us then the basic definition of crossdresser or it other names (like tv, etc) provides. I find I don't feel comfortable with any of the definitions I've seen, feeling that they don't really apply to me. Yet, I also have some need to belong to something, some group, some label, I suppose.

But, I am glad I came to Laura's because I'm finding enough others who do seem to have a similar 'need' or 'urge' or whatever we may call it to dress beyond a basic item of clothing. And let me tell you, for me, it is definitely a desire to go beyond that. Yet, at the same time, I have to admit I have had an active life as a male, being married (twice) for a total of over 30 years, having grown successful children (and more), and an active private life.

Yet, I'm not particularly attached to any part of me. They could go tomorrow - if they were replaced by other appropriate parts - and I would be a little sad for a moment, but not devestated like a lot of guys I know. I have sort of wished for being different on and off throughout my life, but the choices I have made are the ones that have led me to where I am now. Which means that SRS is definitely not a choice. Maybe once a dream.

I'm just not sure where I do belong, tho, so far, many of the threads here in this forum, I definitely have a feeling for. So, maybe I belong here regardless of the name or description of the title.

[Guest mirandacdgirl]

Hot dogs? Hamburgers? now im hungery!

[Guest KatyDesire]

For me it's more an itch that needs to be scratched. You can ignore it for a while, but then it just gets worse. And Oh! the wonderful relief when it IS finally scratched...........

Katy