Why Do They Not Like Us?

[Guest cerise]

I was going to post something but edited it down to that there are far to many categories in the alternative sexual universe .

The gay community might see us as diluting their cause.

Gulp.

[Guest My_Genesis]

The gay community might see us as diluting their cause.

Gulp.

I always saw it the selfish way...they're diverting & distorting our cause

Don't know if I really get what you're trying to say though. Maybe you edited down a bit much

[Guest mia 1]

After careful consideration and reflective thought. This post has been overanalyzed,rationalized,scrutinized and caused brain freeze.

The gay and lesbial community is as varied and different as the straight and yes the transgendered community. Each G/L person can not be categorized, classified, and filed as hostile, anti this, or anti that.

Some are religous, some alcoholics, some cheat on their partners, some are sluts and some are completly monogamous.

There are racists, antisemmites, others in the forefront of civil rights for all,yes insluding transgendered rights.

Some are macho and look for fights and others are great peacemankers...................................Let It Go..................Mia.

[Guest DeniseNM]

Mia I agree with you and I think it all comes down to the fact that we as humans (whether we are straight, gay, bi, trans, male, female, andro, old, young, black, white, red, yellow, brown or even purple polka-dotted - hope I didn't leave any group out but I probably did and if so you are included too) tend be uncomfortable (some alittle & some alot) with what is different and "outside of" our own box. Some of us are more willing to try and step out of the box and some aren't. Humans don't like change very much (check history - ain't a pretty sight in that regards). All of this is just my own personal opinion for what it is worth. There are good and bad in all groups, tolerant and intolerant in all of them too (even among the trans I would bet). I try to say and live by the Serenity Prayer each day.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change (everything outside of me),

The courage to change the things I can (myself and only myself),

And the wisdom to know the difference.

Denise

[Guest cerise]

The Gay Lesbian movement represents gay lesbian rights , not transgendered rights . Straight society lumps us all in together and that upsets the right of center in the GLB community . Most of straight society would not be able to tell you the difference between transgendered , transvestite , crossdresser . It they did they certainly would not correct somebody at Starbucks who called a transexual a crossdresser .

For the most part ours is the last frontier in acceptance .

My only role would be as a good representation of my type and make an effort to accept other types and be a nice person.

Thanks Denise you reminded me that I hadn't said the serenity prayer yet today.

[Guest Evan_J]

Now children behave - no personal attacks here at Laura's

Great Aunt Lizzy

Liz I thought you knew me better'n that . Never personal. Opinionated maybe. But never personal.

Your great nephew six times removed on his mother's side

Evan

I have my own issues with the GLB community...excluding those who are trans. And here's why -one word: jealousy.

now thats an interesting take on things.......

Though, I don't know if the pride marches are giving them more stigma. I mean, maybe that's why they're getting the "my best friend is gay" etc. because due to the marches etc they've had enough visibiltity and therefore become normalized?

I was going to post something but edited it down to that there are far to many categories in the alternative sexual universe .

The gay community might see us as diluting their cause.

Gulp.

I actually think I know what you mean.....however, in the interest of avoiding Mia's brain freeze, I think she's right....who really cares why they hate us. Let em.

[Guest My_Genesis]

Liz I thought you knew me better'n that . Never personal. Opinionated maybe. But never personal.

I of all people have learned my lesson about the relationship between women and the concept of "personal'

now thats an interesting take on things.......

Though, I don't know if the pride marches are giving them more stigma. I mean, maybe that's why they're getting the "my best friend is gay" etc. because due to the marches etc they've had enough visibiltity and therefore become normalized?

hmm, maybe i used the wrong word. I think it's better to say they make themselves "stick out" more than to say they stigmatize themselves. It makes them not "common". Rainbows are a lot brighter and easier to spot than plain, earthy colors

But what if I want to blend in? It bothers me that because we are a part of that, they are making us stick out in society, and what I want more than anything (with the exception of fully functional male parts ) is to be your average person. The way I view most people - "average people", but each one has something that distinguishes them as an individual. One has great musical talent, one has a great sense of humour, etc. So i just want to be that average person. I'd have my own personality and everything but I wouldn't seem "unusual" in any negative way.

PS, if anyone here watches South Park, the "Conjoined Fetus Lady" is my hero. Because she seems to feel about her condition the same way I do about mine (if you want to call what we have a "condition"). She seems to be a bit better at expressing herself than I do though. ....So maybe just screw the second half of this post and listen to the conjoined fetus lady's speech instead

[Guest Evan_J]

But what if I want to blend in? .......The way I view most people - "average people", but each one has something that distinguishes them as an individual. One has great musical talent, one has a great sense of humour, etc. So i just want to be that average person. I'd have my own personality and everything but I wouldn't seem "unusual" in any negative way.

I feel you I feel like that too. Yes I'd be my opinionated self and be prone to wordy tirades about whatever the current social condition yadda yadda, but I would like to be guy# 4,978,700 doin it.

[Guest My_Genesis]

I feel you I feel like that too. Yes I'd be my opinionated self and be prone to wordy tirades about whatever the current social condition yadda yadda, but I would like to be guy# 4,978,700 doin it.

Yup

[Guest Priestess Jean]

Well, GLB is a sexual preference, but T is a gender identity.

They are not the same thing and shouldn't really be in the

same box. I remember when the T was added, I said it

didn't make sense but people said, hey, we'll have more

political power if we merge. So what did we get ? 12 years

later our gender group is still crammed in the same unheated

and un-air-conditioned room with cheap hard chairs... while

the GLB part of the organization receives over $1 million per

year and has cushy couches and air conditioning. They haven't

spent 2 cents on us in over 12 years but they spent 12 million

bucks on themselves.

That's why I dropped out of the local GLBT group.

Jean

[Guest Amanda]

To be honest with you, I couldnt give a rats bum weather the GLB "communities" like me or not. I neither live in their community or any other. I live fulltime 24/7. Im in the world 24 hours a day everyday. I am only keen on weather I like me and ya know what??? I Do. I am a proud T woman living in the real world, not worrying if some minority groups like me or dislike me and Im certaintly not a 3rd class citizen in the world or amongst my many friends, both male and females friends. To those who know me, Im another woman that they know with a great heart and whom is a good friend. I do not crave for what I already have.. I have happiness and the love of my friends and I have a life in the reality of the world.

[Sally]

I have to admit that I never understood being in with the GLB either, but I am more in line with Amanda's take on it all!

You go girl!

I just want to be a human being first a woman second and if anyone needs to know a trans woman third, but the most important is the first!

Let's go for human rights and no group need be left out!

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest Elizabeth K]

What a thread! It goes on and on, but it winds all around.

Mia - dear, whatta think, are we both opinionated or what! and from a comment in private - IQ? Darn, you fishin for compliments?

April - we ARE related dear - think on it. Family here at Laura's

Evan - sorry - I just saw some conflict, you are a sweety - everyone knows that but you - "methinks you protesteh too much" (Francis Bacon) - and you my cousin at the least, but a brother in spirit, I swear.

Why am I doing this - listing personal comments - augggggg that's what PM is for. Yikes.

But things stand OUT in this topic:

[the relationship between women and the concept of "personal' ] beautifully said

[ I couldnt give a rats bum] succintly said

[For the most part ours is the last frontier in acceptance] wow - well said

[even purple polka-dotted] colorfully said -grin - hey, some of my best friends are purple polka-dotted

To the tread Lizzy to the thread.

Hey I was invited to the monthly local GLBT group meeting tomorrow - by them! I had written an email asking when they meet. I told my therapist and she said there may be several FTM there but I will be the only MTF. I am presenting male as I don't pass yet - well as male as I can now. I wanna see what it is like there - after all the nasty stuff we have been saying.

We have a GGA meeting Sat and I am going to it. (Gulf Gender Alliance) Thats people like us.

Ya wanna report on all that?

Well - ole opinionated Liz probably give you one... ha!

Hey my first time at either meeting. I complained to my therapist I have been talking to so many transgender people, but have never met one in person (not even my good friend who is post op - she lives in another state). I asked if it was all a dream and I was the only one in the world - sound familiar? She laughed - definately more out there than you know, she said.

[Guest DeniseNM]

I feel you I feel like that too. Yes I'd be my opinionated self and be prone to wordy tirades about whatever the current social condition yadda yadda, but I would like to be guy# 4,978,700 doin it.

Wait Evan opinionated and doing wordy tirades, no never not Evan ROFL (you know I love you right Evan ). Hon you could never, never be just guy #4,978,700 doing anything. I think we all know what you mean about being an average person (I at least do) but we are who we are and all we can do is live with that and try to make tomorrow better for all of us. Remember to "leave the world a better place than how we found it".

Denise

[Guest DeniseNM]

To be honest with you, I couldnt give a rats bum weather the GLB "communities" like me or not. I neither live in their community or any other. I live fulltime 24/7. Im in the world 24 hours a day everyday. I am only keen on weather I like me and ya know what??? I Do. I am a proud T woman living in the real world, not worrying if some minority groups like me or dislike me and Im certaintly not a 3rd class citizen in the world or amongst my many friends, both male and females friends. To those who know me, Im another woman that they know with a great heart and whom is a good friend. I do not crave for what I already have.. I have happiness and the love of my friends and I have a life in the reality of the world.

I couldn't agree more Amanda, very succintly said

Denise

[Guest mia 1]

Thought about this for awile. Remembered the Federalist Papers from undergraduate American History 101, god that was amillion years ago.

Anyway Madison had warned about factions and infighting among special interest groups and how that would destroy the structure, and the purpose and goals of that group. So learn from history or be doomed to repeat it. Put away the differences and unite as one community.........................Mia.

[Guest Lizzie McTrucker]

I'm thinking the GL community doesn't like us because many of us can just get GRS and get married like any regular straight person. Why fight for gay marriage when it doesn't apply to us?

speaking of not liking us, I've been meaning to write to Sirius/XM radio and let them know there's no T in their GLBT radio station! I don't think there's any B either. but that's beside the point.

[Guest Jennifer1]

From what i see the reason the GBL community dont like us is because they dont understand us. As well as the fact that the feminist movement sees us as a threat because for some reason they see us as invalidating there ideals. That being said, I have had no bad experiances in the GBLT community. Personally the gay guys i have meet have be completely sweet and adorable, and the lesbians have thought that it was great..... ( could be because im often mistaken for a lesbian.... which im not..... instead of being found out to be MTF) Over all i think its the person and not the group. Some people just have hate in there hearts and have to take it out on someone. Others are weak minded and follow whatever group they can. Either way to me its the person and not the group.

[Guest Elizabeth K]

I finally located the local GLBT here and went to what I thought was a regular meeting but is was actually only for the T part. Saturday I went to a GGA meeting which was mainly TS and CD.

I was shocked at the bravery and understanding I found. There were lesbian people at one meeting, and they had the same horror stories we hear from our TS community, many of the same problems. I know this was not a true representation, I mean two meeting? But I suppose my point is for everyone to start attending some of these things, listen, learn and then start asking questions and giving opinions.

I am guilty of believing what people tell me about GLBT. I wanna see and make decisions on my own. And I will concede we have a powerful TS advocate here where I live, and she is really militant about our representation as transsexuals, so what I see might be slanted because of that. But is it fair to judge without first seeing what's really going on?

I think it is part of our responsibily to educate society as well as complain about society. I suppose it may be that our nature as TS tends to make us want to have acceptance and blend in. We don't tend to 'rock the boat' that's all... but is that right?

And the point about us being able to marry in most jurisdictions? I never thought about that and what it would mean to the GLB people. I will eventually be able to change my birth certificate from M to F after SRS. The homosexual community can't do that.

Complicated!

[Guest mia 1]

WEll stated Liz. We can't end up in victimhood. WE need to advocate for ourselves and also be an active part of the LGBT community and theri political action committe. Well stated. Mia.