Totally Weirded Out

[Sally]

That is indeed the strangest mathematical formula I have ever seen. I guess Lizzy isn't the only one...

April

If it wasn't how could it explain anything in this topic?

Besides my computer is lacking in the necessary symbols for 'differential' equations and that's what this really called for! (Determining differences in sexuality - cute isn't it?)

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Good thing I feel better today! Next thing I was gonna do is bring up SPRITUALITY! Something EVERYONE agrees on!

Like how many pins are on the head of an angel?

And what size camel - or is the needle incredibly large!

And exactly what is a cubit? Was Noah the world's first Arkatect? And how did Noah get the bottom cleaned at the end of the voyage?

Lizzy

[Guest Amelia19]

So... X = i (in skyy's example)

and....

umm... yeah... I think I get it now...

Next thing I was gonna do is bring up SPRITUALITY! Something EVERYONE agrees on!

Oh noes!

[Guest April63]

Pins on the head of an angel? I didn't know angels had pins on their heads...

It's a regular, average size camel. If I get a chance today, I'll go out to Jerusalem and measure one for you

The cubit is the length of your arm, from thumb to elbow, about 16 to 18 inches. There were probably other architects before Noah. And clean the bottom of what? The ark? I didn't know he cleaned it.

And how all of this ties into the wackoness Lizzy introduced, I'm not sure. Oh wait, this was also introduced by crazy Lizzy!

April

[Guest doodle]

I don't understand what you women are doing here, the binary gender problem exists and effects us all. . . What is the answer a joke, or religion- God -. that is so sad. Why, do you women consider reality nothing but a big fat zero? If so why are we here? Why does everyone hate us? What is so funny or clever about that?

doodle

[Guest Sarah Marie]

If it wasn't how could it explain anything in this topic?

Besides my computer is lacking in the necessary symbols for 'differential' equations and that's what this really called for! (Determining differences in sexuality - cute isn't it?)

Love ya,

Sally

I think my brain may have just short circuited. If I remember correctly, the presence of the third variable effectively requires the use of partial differential equations. (Giving a whole different spin on the term "difference of the sexes" )

I tried to visualize the intersection between the 3-space created by the presence of a third sex (in the original thought experiment) and the 4-space of sexual orientation. Almost as soon as I reached the point of superimposing the two spaces, I fell asleep at my desk! (I'm not giving up, this is too intriguing.)

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Doodle

We laugh to keep from crying!

Let other TOPICS try do solve those real problems you mention. We are having a joke on ourselves here - it's so stupid for us to worry about binary gender problems when we can't even agree on what the variations might be. THEREFORE, the tricky 'third sex' hypothysis - just to keep everything in perspective.

Why are we here? donno Even the non-gender dysphoric world struggles with that question

Why does everyone hate us? My kids don't hate me - or you for that matter. Many hate us,I agree - we sometimes hate ourselves. But again in the real world, different races hate different races, different religions hate differnt religions, different sexual orientations hate different sexual orientations... [fill up the page with examples...] why? Again - donno

'What is so funny or clever about that?' Donno - like you said, kinda sad. But tragedy and comedy are almost the same thing. Someone slips on a banama peel and falls flat - hilarious! [laugh track in background please] but the fall was NOT funny to the person who slipped. the Greeks had all that figured out thousands of years ago [two faces of drama]. And many of our finest comedians are manic - Jim Carey comes to mind.

So laugh or cry - probably both - and be human.

And the reference to pins and angels is to an archaic reference when there was suppsedy a Papal Council to decide how many angels* could dance on the head of a pin.

*Answer? 42

hee hee

Silly when being serious even - Lizzy

So it should be 'differentials of the sexes?'

[Guest Leigh]

well..sex isn't really binary...except when it comes to reproduction...which is where you lost me..

anyway...it was a fun read...lol...

peace&love

[Guest Stuv]

Dear Lizzy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-body_pr...ee-body_problem

Specific solutions to three-body problem result in chaotic motion with no obvious sign of a repetitious path.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuji_(philosophy)

The taiji is the One that contains Yin and Yang, or the Three (... ...). This Three is, in Taoist terms, the One (Yang) plus the Two (Yin), or the Three that gives life to all beings (Daode jing 42), the One that virtually contains the multiplicity. Thus, the wuji is a limitless void, ...

1+1+1=?

Now show your steps, young lady. I guarantee you'll have to take these three numbers two at a time. You can't put three things together, you always have to perceive their relationships as 1 vs 1. Frustrating, isn't it?

[Guest Zabrak]

1+1+1= 111

[Guest leo]

im lost and confussed

[Guest Elizabeth K]

im lost and confussed

That's the point sweetheart. Lewis Carroll in 'Alice in Wonderland' and in 'Through the Looking Glass.' Alice said something like 'things keep getting stranger and stranger!"

We gender dysphoric are definately freefalling down a rabbit hole. My therapist calls it freefalling like a skydiver...especially for us transsexual who are altering our bodies and minds through transitioning. Everything seems different, much is very new to us... and its very likely we will end up in places we have always imagined - but never knew exactly what they would "really" be like.

At four months on HRT I have just started, But I have had some early results that astounded my therapist and my prescribing physician, and we are not certain what is going on. Also, at my age the results were really supposed to be YMMV, and possiblly not that dramatic. But that's not the point, although I DID fall down the rabbit hole quickly. My mind is trying to catch up, I think, which weirds me out because my 'body' is what had lagged behind so long, now it's my mind?

What astounded me is I thought I knew what being a woman is like, how we think and how we relate to the world, mainly because I always considered myself as female in a male body. I had a lot of it correct, I mean what I knew - and the results of transition were the same - or similar enough - to what I expected. I had been female all this time... after all... and that all affirmed it.

HRT changes are physical, and HRT changes are mental.

BUT some things are TOTALLY different in ways I can hardly explain! And I sometimes reach back for certain 'male' ways of thinking, and they are GONE! The new ways of 'being in body and mind" are sometimes astounding. I now 'get it.' Men are so imprisioned... women are so interconnected to the world... the world really belongs to us as females.

[Apologies to FTM - I know you really look for empowerment - and I have 'had that' already, so I look for 'value of life,' which you already know about]

But it is so much better. I am where I am meant to be. Alice woke up - it had been a dream. Me? I have never actually gone to sleep, everything is very very very real.

Sometimes I am lost and confused...

But everyone here helps me laugh about it! Yeaaaaaaaa Laura's It's coming together...

Lizzy

(yes - I am in therapy - yes, I tell my therapist about all this - ha)

[Sally]

But Lizzy, Lewis Carroll was a mathematician and the books were written for his daughter as exercises in logic.

And let's face it, do you see yourself as logical?

You are more like the antithesis to a Vulcan - Pure emotion and no logic!

You make Dr. McCoy look calm and rational.

But those are good things and what makes you who you are and so involved in helping people.

Me too - if I were logical, would I be here at all hours of the day and night trying to help somebody else?

No I'd be trying Internet schemes to become rich - processing rebates from home or working for Google!

Empathy is a very good but non profitable trait.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Yeaaa

I wondered if anyone would catch that! the fact that Lewis Carroll was a mathmatician. There is the irony - he of all those in the world would produce one of the most endearing children's fantasy books ever!

And McCoy was emotional? Yes - but wasn't he a healer? Aren't we all healers of a sort , or tying to be, here at Laura's?

Oh honey I hear you - we do try...

No - I tend to be all over the place sometimes. Sometimes even CHAT is too slow for me. April keeps pointing it out to me, how spacy/crazy I can be - poor dear. The rest of you seem to have given up. It's soooo good to finally be myself - and you know what? It's a natural thing for me. I never understood that before.

I love everyone here!

Lizzy

[Guest April63]

It says on that little piece of paper, "Laura's Playground -- Member's Job Description: Remind everyone that Lizzy lost it and/or is crazy"

So welcome back to "Totally Weirded Out"! So who's going to be totally weirded out next? lol

April

[Guest Geej]

Good bad or indifferent its all the same. People just gotta get use to it. Remember people preceive themselves aa "more equal" than othrs just gotts work around or thru the preconceptions.

[Guest Geej]

There I go again not proof reading

[Guest Evan_J]

And now we have validation, Weebles Wobble but they don't fall down

karen_h

ROFL The best line of em all, thank you Karen.

Donna Jean said what I was gonna say though Liz ; quit thinking. ! All that smoke is clogging up the foum lol

Did you ever think of knitting? How bout rebuildin the Huey P. Long? lol that should keep you busy.

As to the "Father, Son, Holy Spirit" thing, some christians feel the spirit is the female aspect of the trinity, (seen as the source of instinct, conscious, and guidance -the "little voice" if you will) and if "begotten by the power of" is taken and melded with that mind frame then it becomes a "mother, father, product of the two" configuration.