Baltimore Gay Bar Throws Transman Out Of Bathroom

[Guest Little Sara]

How do you get caught using the bathroom? If you pass, how do people know? People don't check your genitals. Is it because we don't pass well enough?

April

For an employer or school, if you're pre-op, your records out you.

[Guest Little Sara]

I've been in a brown situation too... when there was no safe bathroom in sight. Yellow is more frequent, but brown isn't out of the question.

April, when people have bathroom problems it usually is because we aren't passing consistently enough. In my case, I still use only gender neutral bathrooms at school. On a college campus, where there are no kids, I stick out like a sore thumb. In public, I worry less because I blend as a 14 to 16 year old boy. When people of all ages are around, I generally feel safer.

In Seth's post, I think people knew who the transguys were because there was a drag show going on. I'm thinking it was one of the performers who got thrown out, so it would have been obvious who he was. I might be reading it wrong though.

Basically, we are in the most danger if we aren't passing consistently yet or if we are in a setting where people know who is trans.

I think MTF's have it worse with bathroom situations.

1. Women scrutinize everyone in the bathroom. Men generally don't.

2. Women are afraid of everyone...so again, they scrutinize whomever is in the bathroom.

3. MTF's are more likely to be tall for a woman. In my case, I'm 5'6". That's short for a guy, but it doesn't stand out. I think there are more guys who are 5'6" than women who are 6 feet and up. It's just a question of who stands out more.

I hate bathrooms.

Less than 1% of women are 6'0" and up.

10% of men are 5'6" or less.

I'm also 5'6"

25% of women are 5'6" or more.

But yeah, imo, it mostly has to do with

1) estrogen isn't as effective - we don't start at 12 or 13, so damage is inevitably done in most cases (and I was lucky)

2) women socialize more in bathrooms than men do

3) the height thing

4) outed by documents in a place where people are stupid about it (most places) even if you pass 100%, as long as you're pre-op

[Guest April63]

But even if you have the records, the record isn't sitting there at the bathroom.

But even if only 1% of girls are 6 foot, you can be that 1%.

It must be a combination of issues that lead to not passing. Oh well.

April

[Guest Leigh]

uhg... just. uhg.

[Guest Martin]

It may be that more men are 5'6. However, very, very few men are 5' (my height). I still don't have bathroom issues, probably because short scalp hair and grown-out facial hair allows me to blend - and because I'm usually in an environment where people know me as a guy. If a woman is over 6' but otherwise looks like she's cissexual, she'll be fine. If she's shorter and looks like she's transsexual, she may run into trouble.

[Guest Little Sara]

But even if you have the records, the record isn't sitting there at the bathroom.

But even if only 1% of girls are 6 foot, you can be that 1%.

It must be a combination of issues that lead to not passing. Oh well.

April

If you're in a school or workplace, believe me, word gets around soon enough, secrecy means nothing to these people, as I found out at my job.

Thankfully, it caused no issues. I can use the women's room no problem, even if over 50% know.