Good morning All. Coffees on.

[Mmindy]

3 hours ago, Willow said:

We got hi ladies every where.  Very refreshing for me.

That is a nice feeling to know you're being seen as a woman.

I hope everything goes your way on the surgery too.

 

Hugs,

 

Mindy??️‍⚧️?

[KymmieL]

Well, another change of plans. We went to dinner with our middle son and wife, and my younger two grandson's. for reasons beyond our control. Our family T day has been canceled. So it will be T day at our house with just the three of us.

 

I just wonder if it is that our oldest isn't showing so why have anything.

 

OH, Well.

 

Kymmie

[MirandaB]

My wife, who famously around here didn't want to be 'my coach', but I could tell that she really wants to be that coach, had a friend come over yesterday so the three of us could chat about what color my hair should be next and he'll be coloring it next week. 

[Jamie68]

13 hours ago, Jackie C. said:

Otherwise I'm probably going to do a turkey breast in the crock pot (it's sinfully moist), mashed potatoes and instant veggies. Maybe pie. I don't want to have to eat an entire pie though, so maybe not.

Never tried it in a crock pot. Probably a lot like me doing a pot roast in the pressure cooker. You don't need a knife.

T-day is my favorite. With 7 people in my house, I end up cooking 2 turkeys, 5# mashed potatoes, dressing, green bean casserole, dinner rolls, homemade cranberry sauce, 2 pumpkin pies, homemade whipped cream, 1 cherry cheesecake, and 1 new york cheesecake. And of course good freshly brewed coffee. It's a busy day, but I enjoy cooking.

 

 

[Jamie68]

1 hour ago, Jamie68 said:

Never tried it in a crock pot. Probably a lot like me doing a pot roast in the pressure cooker. You don't need a knife.

T-day is my favorite. With 7 people in my house, I end up cooking 2 turkeys, 5# mashed potatoes, dressing, green bean casserole, dinner rolls, homemade cranberry sauce, 2 pumpkin pies, homemade whipped cream, 1 cherry cheesecake, and 1 new york cheesecake. And of course good freshly brewed coffee. It's a busy day, but I enjoy cooking.

 

 

This is what I cook on. I built the exhaust hood, resturaunt quality about 20 yrs ago from flat sheets of stainless.

[Jackie C.]

@Jamie68? I have severe kitchen envy.

 

Hugs!

[rachel w]

that is a stove nice  t day for me will be me and my dog rhondy i will make a pie mite be 2 i dont know yet what ever i am in mood for if bad whether i will be wooking  anyways  

[BrandiBri]

Men...yuck. i can't imagine being with one and having sex. The thought of that just plan turns me off. to change the subject, this is one busy month for me. Last Tuesday I had to have a blood draw to check for nicotine for my upcoming surgery, next Tuesday, post op and Wednesday the 24th my bottom surgery. What a Thanksgiving!

Hope you all have a wonderful day.

[Willow]

@BrandiBri it seems a lot of us feel that way and yet want a vaginoplasty.  My opinion is what’s the point of that if you aren’t going to us it?  My eventual plan would be a penectomy after this orchidectomy.  That way I could wear anything and not worry about tucking or anything showing.

 

 

[KathyLauren]

1 hour ago, Willow said:

@BrandiBri it seems a lot of us feel that way and yet want a vaginoplasty.  My opinion is what’s the point of that if you aren’t going to us it?  My eventual plan would be a penectomy after this orchidectomy.  That way I could wear anything and not worry about tucking or anything showing.

 

 

That is why I opted for a vulvoplasty.  It would look convincing in a locker room, and (*ahem*) on closer inspection, but there is no inside.  It seems to be an increasingly popular option.

[MetaLicious]

@Jamie68, that stove is a thing of beauty.  I used to ignore kitchens, but then I became a stay-at-home parent and doing all the cooking.  Suddenly, whenever I'd visit someplace new, the kitchen became the first area I wanted to invesitage!

 

I'm with @Jackie C. - I've got some serious kitchen envy, myself!

[Jackie C.]

4 hours ago, Lexa83 said:

My wife quit our couples therapy the other day on our 5th session, she feels he blames her for how I am.... I had recorded our sessions as I've spent years being told the way I remember conversations are wrong, and that things were said that I just didn't hear... Well sorry....I relistened 2 times and he didn't say anything like that. I think she's mad because I now have my appt setup for HRT (COME ON JAN 21ST ??) and that she realizes I AM GOING TO DO THIS. She post walk out said she doesn't think we'll be together after I start HRT, that she doesn't think it's right for me to do this to her and the kids. She asked what are people going to think when I walk into stores with her and I look like a woman? THERE IT IS.... The real issue.... What are other people going to think of YOU. I replied with I hate to say it, but they already do mostly unless they know me, I get mam'd and "hello ladies" when with her often. We didn't talk much after that. I think she expected me to back down and cancel my HRT appt.... Again. Sorry, not happening, I need to do this for me, I'm here for us, and my love is here for as long as she wants it. I can't make her stay, can't make her accept. I'm not going to punish myself to the brink of going dark mentally ever again.

 

Yup, this part right here. The people who love you will accept you no matter what. They want you to be happy. The people who want you to be someone else... can't love you. They want you to be someone else FOR THEMSELVES.

 

It's hard to discover that there are people in your life who don't feel the same way about you as you do about them. It hurts, but that's OK. The hurt helps you to find your real family. They'll love you for you. No matter what.

 

Hugs!

[Aggie1]

Interesting discussion about men being disgusting. Not sure how to interpret this!! Does it include all AMAB? Just a select few? I'm trying to get the difference between gay and straight straight in my head! LOL.

 

If I identify as a woman but I'm AMAB and used to be a disgusting male, but I enjoy the attentions of men does that make me gay or straight? If I'm Transitioning for Male to Female, but I get clocked does that make me straight or gay? If I identify as a woman but I'm AMAB and enjoy the attention of females does that make me gay or straight? If I'm on the fence, I like some men and I like some women, same question? Does it depend on my mood or the opinion of others? Is there a clear cut line anymore between gay and straight? Maybe this explains the pushback from some quarters in the LGBTQ communitiy?

[Jackie C.]

Well @AgnesBardsie, I think the accepted wisdom goes like this:

 

Holy poo. There's a handout. Here you go: No, really, there's a handout.

 

Anyway, gay or straight depends on whether or not you identify on the gender binary. Interestingly enough, while there are a whole host of terms for people who identify as binary, there aren't so many for our NB friends. I think that's kind of a shame.

 

Also, underlying fact. Regardless of whether or not you've been clocked, trans-men are men and trans-women are women and you'd use the associated terms. Personally, I belong to a couple of lesbian groups, they all know I'm trans, nobody cares. I'm just one of the girls.

 

Hugs!

[KathyLauren]

1 hour ago, AgnesBardsie said:

Interesting discussion about men being disgusting. Not sure how to interpret this!! Does it include all AMAB? Just a select few? I'm trying to get the difference between gay and straight straight in my head! LOL.

 

If I identify as a woman but I'm AMAB and used to be a disgusting male, but I enjoy the attentions of men does that make me gay or straight? If I'm Transitioning for Male to Female, but I get clocked does that make me straight or gay? If I identify as a woman but I'm AMAB and enjoy the attention of females does that make me gay or straight? If I'm on the fence, I like some men and I like some women, same question? Does it depend on my mood or the opinion of others? Is there a clear cut line anymore between gay and straight? Maybe this explains the pushback from some quarters in the LGBTQ communitiy?

 

It does get confusing.  A woman (cis or trans) attracted to women (cis or trans) is a lesbian.  A woman (cis or trans) attracted to men (cis or trans)  is straight.  If you are attracted to both, you are bisexual.  If you are attracted to neither,, you are asexual.  The categories get messy if you are non-binary or are attracted to non-binary people.  Pansexual may cover that situation, but maybe there is a need for another term.  Or maybe we should just stop putting people in pigeonholes.

 

As someone who shares the "men are disgusting" viewpoint, it is specifically the idea of an exposed penis in my presence that I would find disgusting.  I know quite a few men who are decent and likeable and I have no trouble working alongside them.  As long as they keep their pants on.

[Jackie C.]

1 hour ago, KathyLauren said:

Pansexual may cover that situation, but maybe there is a need for another term.  Or maybe we should just stop putting people in pigeonholes.

 

I know a couple of people who just identify as queer and call it a day.

 

Hugs!

[KymmieL]

@Lexa83, yeah  you are so correct. I just need to learn to love myself enough to do something about it.  Right now I could careless about myself. I hope that with some help and guidance from my new therapist I  can accomplish that goal.

 

Kymmie 

[KymmieL]

I am still on the fence about bottom surgery. I am definitely a lesbian.  

 

But it would be nice to have a smooth lower section  lol ??

 

Kymmie 

[Jani]

6 hours ago, BrandiBri said:

Wednesday the 24th my bottom surgery. What a Thanksgiving!

Congratulations @BrandiBri!

[KymmieL]

I have been thinking am I truly transgender.  Then I  look back just a few year ago.  And wonder why I started self medication to grow breasts if I was just a crossdresser. 

 

Kymmie 

[Jackie C.]

1 hour ago, KymmieL said:

I hope that with some help and guidance from my new therapist I  can accomplish that goal.

 

Absolutely. Learning to love yourself is a HARD lesson after so many years of... not. Absolutely worthwhile though. Even if it is a life-long study.

 

1 hour ago, KymmieL said:

 

But it would be nice to have a smooth lower section

 

I mean it's not like smooth-smooth but yeah. My dysphoria is much lessened having had it done.

 

1 hour ago, KymmieL said:

And wonder why I started self medication to grow breasts if I was just a crossdresser. 

 

Because breasts are pretty universally accepted as awesome.

 

Hugs!

[Susan R]

11 hours ago, BrandiBri said:

my upcoming surgery, next Tuesday, post op and Wednesday the 24th my bottom surgery. What a Thanksgiving!

Wow! You have something to be very thankful about during this year’s Thanksgiving holiday. I am so happy for you @BrandiBri. I wish you the very best on your results and recovery.

 

Warmest Regards,

Susan R?

[Becoming Diana]

So I was at my thrift shop, where I’m a manager, today.  A guy who looked in his 50’s brought his donations in.  I gave him a tax claim form.  His response?  Thanks, baby, you’re a doll.”  And he walked away.  Bearing in mind I’m not currently on HRT or going through any kind of transition that was a hell of a validation.  I was wearing a blouse and necklace, blue eye shadow and light makeup.  I’m not into men at all but that moment just made me melt!

 

So that pretty much made my day.  How did your day go?

[Jani]

Well, @Becoming Diana that surely was validation.  Despite feelings to the contrary I am sure that made your day!  

[Willow]

Good evening 

 

lots of talk today about mtf and cismen, appropriate names and so forth.  At this point I don’t care what name you give me.  I love my wife.  I don’t want anyone else, but particularly not a cisman.

 

I suppose we all have idealistic ideas of post surgery and lots of options with more developed all the time.  Like I said if I can, I would add a penectomy that in my mind would leave me smooth at least under clothing.  
 

Breasts. The universal sign of femininity.  That was my biggest thing at puberty, I wanted breasts.  Bras, padded, stuffed whatever.  Anyway, I finally have my own, next week I am supposed to get my orchidectomy.  I’m hoping after that my breasts will have a second growth spurt.

 

hope your favorite college football team did well.  Mine did.  
 

willow